Radical proposals for shared space scheme

Wilmslow Trust has unveiled their ideas for what the town centre could look like in 20 years time.

Martin Hoyle, Secretary of the Wilmslow Trust, presented proposals at this week's meeting of the Wilmslow Business Group.

These include the introduction of a shared space scheme in the town centre to discourage through traffic, reduce the dominance of vehicles and vehicle speeds by giving equal priority to pedestrians, cars and cyclists.

Shared space seeks to minimise demarcations between vehicles and pedestrians, often by removing features such as curbs, road surface markings, signs and other street clutter.

Mr Hoyle said "Our aims are to improve and maintain the character of Wilmslow and to encourage business, shopping and recreation to thrive, which in turn will make the environment a better place to live and shop.

"If you are making the whole of this area one colour of surface and sense of feeling it brings everyone together, which is what we think is important."

Wilmslow Trust are proposing that the shared space zone stretches from Sainsbury's on Alderley Road to the station, Bartholomew's Church and the junction of Kennerley's Lane on Water Lane. Entrance into the shared space would be marked by rumble strips and the surface of the area would be the same colour to indicate users are within the zone.

Mr Hoyle added "A shared surface is an area where nobody has priority. If you are only doing 10 miles an hour and nobody knows where they are then everybody looks out for each other.

"The big advantage is it allows access by car to the various car parks, it doesn't mean to say people can't park by the shops, its quite possible to allocate car parking areas as and where people think appropriate."

He told the business group members that this would all be dependent on the new SEMMMS airport relief road being built and assumes a heavy reduction in through traffic for Wilmslow.

Other ideas include closing Green Lane to traffic and creating a town square outside the back of Starbucks, with a communal area dedicated to Alan Turing, the wartime code-breaker and pioneer of computer science who lived in Wilmslow.

The Trust are also suggesting increasing the size of Sparrow Park at Banks Square, which can be used for markets and other events, extending and developing the library with a new entrance, creating Romany Walk, where Romany's caravan was previously located, and retaining all the green spaces, such as Rectory Fields, plus adding more greenery where possible.

Integral to the proposals is a transport hub located at Wilmslow Station with a bus interchange, better pedestrian routes to the town centre, a multi-storey car park located behind the offices and a reduction in car parking charges in the town.

Wilmslow Trust members were prompted by the Wilmslow Vision consultation to bring forward their ideas for both transforming and preserving elements of the town centre, before Cheshire East comes forward with proposals for the town centre, which could include the previously suggested lifestyle centre.

Martin Hoyle said "We've given a lot of thought to what Wilmslow might be like and what Wilmslow can do for itself over the next 20 years.

"Cheshire East have ideas for towns around Cheshire and we thought it would be better if we have our plan in place rather than have something imposed upon us which may not necessarily fit."

The Trust hopes their ideas will generate discussion.

Mr Hoyle told Wilmslow Business Group "We have consulted widely and we've had all sorts of reactions.

"We're trying to reach everybody. We're trying to get people's opinion, we want to produce a plan which we're happy with. It's for the people of Wilmslow to decide not councillors in Sandbach, half of whom don't live in Wilmslow.

"We're continuing to pick up information and we're continuing to modify it."

Click next photo above or play the slideshow for a selection of images showing Wilmslow Trust's vision for the town centre.

For further information email Martin Hoyle.

What do you think about these proposals? Would you like to see a shared space scheme introduced in Wilmslow? Share your views via the comment box below.

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Gill Fitz
Tuesday 26th February 2013 at 2:24 pm
That looks truely dreadful!!!! What is it with red brick? Grove street was ruined with it and now they intend to roll it out all over. How about a touch of stone to offset the awful scheme. Poynton have managed to employ people with a modicum of design talent, why not ask them to help?
Heidi Sumner
Tuesday 26th February 2013 at 2:52 pm
I'd like to know how many residential roads surrounding the centre, Parkway, Hawthorn Lane and Hawthorn Street, Chapel Lane etc, etc would then suffer the further might of the overweight and excessive traffic volume with which they all suffer from already?

The traffic sent out the centre of Wilmslow already marches its way down these residential roads at volumes and speed higher than should be tolerated.

Until the solution has been fully provided to the bypassing of Wilmslow Centre by excess traffic, this is all very pie in the sky. Let us improve the speed and weight on our local roads before spending a fortune on creating a "lovely" open space.
Bethan Phillips
Tuesday 26th February 2013 at 3:14 pm
The pictures are, I think, meant to show very roughly what the town could look like - but if these images were a bit slicker, then I think the opinions generated could be a bit more objective.
Mark Russell
Tuesday 26th February 2013 at 3:28 pm
We need to be opening up the roads to traffic, not calming them down. In the morning its horrendus to get to the m56 and likewise the reverse at nights. There are plenty of times im sat in a q all the way from the m56 right to the lights at barclays. Thats due in part due to people from macc and surrounding areas trying to get to motorways etc not the airport, so the relief road wont make that much of a difference it that respect. And bear in mind how many more cars there will be in 20 years, we will need 2 relief roads by then. Not to mention the expansion plans for the airport, so anybody from the cheshire side of Wilmslow wont use the relief road, they will come barreling thru Wilmslow. Wilmslow is an old town which is a cross roads, planners need to bear that in mind. Making it a 10 mph zone is a nonsense and will make travelling through here even worse. There needs to be better use of the barclays traffic lights, like priority lanes at differnet times of the day instead of the same time lengths all day long. Its not that hard is it? Heidi is right, if these plans go ahead, all that will happen is everybody will go down the side roads, and the town will become grid locked.
Gill Fitz
Tuesday 26th February 2013 at 3:32 pm
It's not the quality of the poor photoshop I'm worried about, it's this statement:

"If you are making the whole of this area one colour of surface and sense of feeling it brings everyone together, which is what we think is important"

This sort of daft pseudo design philosophy needs nipping in the bud, or else the town center will end up like a big bland carpark....
Jane Middleton
Tuesday 26th February 2013 at 3:32 pm
The scheme is utter madness and a recipe for chaos and confusion. Has anyone had feed back from the Poynton Scheme? It is downright dangerous.
Drew Donaldson
Tuesday 26th February 2013 at 4:53 pm
An excellent idea put forward by the Wilmslow Trust. I think you have got the principles bang on. The detail can come at a later date. Shared space has been a great success in Holland particularly in reducing traffic accidents and personal injuries. I am so pleased it is being considered for our town centre.
I also agree to the closing of Green Lane and making a feature of that corner of town. It will give us our town centre back.
Well done to Wilmslow Trust and Martin Hoyle for putting this forward. I hope you succeed. Good Luck.....
Jonathan Follows
Tuesday 26th February 2013 at 5:32 pm
I live in the centre of Wilmslow and I am a car driver, and I drive to the M56 junction each day. I welcome the Wilmslow Trust for having some new ideas here. We need unconventional thinking to provoke radical alternative solutions.

Since I live in the centre of Wilmslow I am a pedestrian in town, and I am appalled by the poor standard of driving in which the road design contributes towards the intimidation of pedestrians. I find it unusual not to see at least one vehicle going through a red light every time I walk through the town. Especially annoying when there's a clear queue of stationary traffic ahead, yet drivers still feel the need to speed through red lights anyway. Better and more imaginative road design would help enormously.

We also need to realise that there aren't going to be more cars in 20 years, so building hugely expensive car-friendly concrete monstrosities will be a waste of money.

The important thing here is to have a sensible discussion which doesn't preclude radical options from the start - let's embrace the radical as an option and then make rational decisions rather than rejecting it out of hand.
Erik Garner
Tuesday 26th February 2013 at 9:12 pm
What an absolutely ridiculous idea. What on earth are they thinking about.

Wilmslow town centre is dying by the week with no real big name stores or restaurant chains able to afford the rent and rates so someone comes up with the great plan of stopping traffic or at the very least discouraging it.

People want convenience by way of just getting in the car and driving as close to where you want to go as possible. Grove Street has never recovered since it was pedestrianised.

There's no mention of lowering rates, free car parking or any other schemes to attract businesses or customers to the town. These people seem to be doing everything in their power to to destroy the retail experience of Wilmslow. Nothing was mentioned about the cost either. I shudder to think!
Angela Kapoor
Tuesday 26th February 2013 at 9:25 pm
I think it's great that there are people in Wilmslow thinking of new ways of doing things - there's no doubt our town centre does needs quite a lot of help. I am not sure this particular scheme will work though. If you try and create a seemless environment like the one proposed it can very easily slip into something bland and take away the sense of 'centre of town' that the crossroads in question currently creates. We don't have a town that naturally oozes character and charm and we need to be very careful that any novel, trendy schemes create interest as opposed to blandness (no doubt the pedestrianisation of Gove St was at one time the trendy thing to do). I walk into town from Knutsford Road nearly every day and have never thought Wilmlsow feels dangerous as a pedestrian user with a young child in tow. In many instances rules are restrictive and people are better off without them; a town centre used by different road users is one instance where a clearly defined set of rules is absolutely necessary.
Andrew Backhouse
Tuesday 26th February 2013 at 9:26 pm
The picture is not that good, but Poynton is really impressive. I think The Wilmnslow Trust is being creative and dynamic in a way I wish all councils were - perhaps the Trust has been taking a back seat for too long?

Fundamentally, we have to be using cars less and other means of transport more - the train, bikes, and buses use less energy, and if it is slower to go through the centre of Wilmslow by car, then we will look at alternatives.

After all, if we build a bypass, as sometimes seems a really good idea, someone else will come and build houses and a retail partk by it, so it gets congested, and then we need a new bypass...... When the place is heaving, like the Artisan Market, it feels like a good place to live - and it's people, not cars that bring it alive.
Peter Davenport
Tuesday 26th February 2013 at 9:55 pm
One problem of the traffic in Wilmslow, that needs resolving is that between the traffic lights at Barclay's and Nevada Bob, a little lower down Parsonnage Green?, is that with all the bits of side roads in this area, there are at least 17 combinations of where cars can enter this area and exit it.
This slows everything down completely, particularly after 15.00 hours.
Also the picture of this area has been with a wide angle lense, which confuses things somewhat
Simon Worthington
Wednesday 27th February 2013 at 7:27 am
One would think that with all the present and growing problems councillors would have something better to do! The second thread in this news letter tells us of the 2-3000 houses to be built, with the necessary infrastructure of at least one more high school and several primary schools. This doesn't include the "new town" at Woodford. This will bring several thousand more vehicle movements per day to the area so it seems one plan is based on current road usage and the other plan is to vastly increase road usage. I understand that the Police insisted that the wiring for the traffic lights at Poynton crossroads were to be left in place as they think it inevitable that they will have to be replaced in the future. I also understand that the "interntional expert" consulted by Poynton expressed serious doubts about the long term success of this plan due to the volume of through traffic. The nonsense about shared space which may work in rural Holland has created a dangerous area in Poynton much to the distress of the shopkeepers who have seen little benefit. Perhaps those in charge should learn to put the horse in front of the cart and wait for the bypass to complete it's course to the airport and motorways (which should have been done years ago) and then assess traffic management.
Re the comment on traffic lights: Having made a mess of the lights at Station Road which are now blocked when a bus heading to Banks Square waits to turn right and the inability to program the lights at the top of Water Lane to assist traffic flow I have no confidence in any of the touted plans. The only interest is milking the public of funds in any way possible to then squander on pet plans for their own egos.
Michael Maddox
Wednesday 27th February 2013 at 10:38 am
Before the calming measures were introduced in Poynton, we used to visit the area and locals shops on average: twice a week, now we hardly go at all. Apart from the danger to pedestrians, the traffic conversing on the junctions since the traffic lights were removed is backlogging to such an extent it is creating unnecessary long and slow moving queues, even during the quietest time of the day. When we do go, we find the Poynton high street devoid of People. Even Waitrose, who contributed significantly to the change - have seen their business drop! We have also seen the footfall at the local shops reduce significantly, to an extent - even the Charity shops are quiet!

Motorists travelling from the Hazel Grove or Bramhall area towards Poynton or visa-versa- are now cutting across on the Woodford Road towards Woodford, to avoid the congestion.

To even consider introducing similar calming measures in Wilmslow; in my mind is stupidity! It will increase traffic congestion considerably, and danger to pedestrians. And, more than likely - reduce footfall and business to local shops. Probably, another place I will have to avoid!
Derek Stevens
Wednesday 27th February 2013 at 11:04 am
Having looked at the pictures I am so impressed that, I for one, will be opening a shop/office at the Barclays Bank intersection. It's going to be a 'Accident Claims are Us' Drop-In 0peration. Just leave your mangled vehicle where it has just be hit, and pop in and fill the forms in while you wait for the recovery vehicle.
Tate Jones
Wednesday 27th February 2013 at 11:15 am
Can't knock someone's passion for change and someone who wants to help but I do believe this shared surface idea would be chaotic and dangerous. I know they've tried this sort of thing overseas but I cannot see it working here, even with better pics and design! Rather than look to the next 20 years we should be focusing on our short term future. I feel there are other more important issues to help Wilmslow retail and leisure services to be great again and in my opinion one of the first things Wilmslow should do to improve footfall and compete with the likes of Trafford centre/John Lewis free is to extend the 'free 1 hour parking' that currently exists to 2 hours. One hour is not enough and prevents people from spending time on the high street.

Whether you are going for a coffee or pick something up or do a bit of shopping. The customer is constantly looking at their watch/phone and worried about getting a ticket and we lose a lot of business because of this. The next step would be some sort of validation system in the bigger parking lots regardless of where you shop. In the States, two hour free parking on or around high streets in small commuter towns is the norm. We need to create an easy, stress free environment for shoppers and visitors in the town.

Secondly, the future of Wilmslow must be small independent shops rather than chains. There has to be a point of difference and unmatchable friendly service that only independents can deliver. Someone already mentioned, Knutsford as a benchmark when it comes to independent shops and I agree. Plus you can drive down their main high street which someone pointed out in the above. Knutsford has a really nice rhythm and feel to it.

Finally, the rent issue is a huge obstacle but I cannot see how that can be resolved until more shops become empty but by then it could be too late. However rate relief is something that should be looked at asap (along with the lack of small business/local grants). I cannot believe that the last review on retail spaces in Wilmslow were conducted in 2008, retail has changed so much in 5 years. It's all fixable with the right shops and attitudes...here's hoping...
Mark Russell
Wednesday 27th February 2013 at 5:10 pm
Tate makes some good points, but they need vison and leadership from the council. So no joy there then..... status quo and empty shops here we come
Stuart Redgard
Wednesday 27th February 2013 at 6:26 pm
I am all for looking at alternative ideas to provoke radical alternative solutions. This concept is full of many ideas. Let's not throw the "baby out with the bath water" just because some may not appeal to us as an individual.

Shopping trends, vehicle movements and parking needs will not stay the same. The rise of out of town shopping centres and the internet are hitting all high streets and town centres in different ways. Who's to say some other form of technology won't appear in the next 20 years that will change this again.

How many of us had "mobile phones" 20 years ago.......? When was the last time you used a public telephone box? If somebody had suggested doing away with these 20 years ago I wonder what the outcry would have been then.

A friend of mine used to Work in Warren Street, London, W1, back in the 70's when it was full off car dealerships (Over 20). When I went to work just around the corner in 1988 there were less than 10. Last time I was there in 2000? there were only 2!

What once was doesn't always survive. Darwin called it evolution by "natural selection".
Pippa Jones
Wednesday 27th February 2013 at 6:36 pm
Well done to the Wilmslow Trust for coming up with some innovative ideas. I know that "shared space" schemes are controversial, and I've no experience of them myself, but I would like to be able to ride my bike in Wilmslow more safely and at least this is the start of a discussion about the town centre. I do like the idea of more green space in the town, and the Romany walk. What about "green corridors" for pedestrians and cyclists separated from the road by trees or a hedge and leave the roads to the traffic? That might obviate the need for a shared space and would mean all road users had their own space. Thank you to Wilmslow Trust for starting a good conversation!
Heidi Sumner
Wednesday 27th February 2013 at 7:34 pm
Hear hear Pippa! The concerns of all contributors demonstrate clearly that there are many opinions, all wanting improvements. It would seem that our home town has a great deal of supporters! There are merits to open spaces, reduced speeds, weight restrictions. All of which I am a supporter, especially 20s Plenty, lets start there. The figures, if you look it up, stack up, the result....it works. And guess what journey times through those zones, on average, reduced by.....one second!

However, there have been many comments about confidence, lack of confidence and optimism and a distinct lack of enthusiasm. Who do we trust? I live, have lived, for nearly 40 years on Hawthorn St, a rat run since the council told us some years ago that the junction priority at the Carter Arms, originally a cross roads with Bedells Lane and Chapel Lane, was to be changed until the bypass was built to enable the flow of traffic through the village. What do we have now? Traffic chaos and residents being abused every day by drivers who see their route out of Wilmslow only being side roads.

I would, for one, rather see these very specific deeply local issues addressed before we embark on what looks very interesting and idealistic but doesn't address serious local issues. Excess speeds, over weight vehicles, pot holes, sinkage holes under the roads, excessive development of a village that has still not recovered, regarding infrastucture, since the last wave of development on the boundaries. Empty offices built by greedy developers, lack of arking fo workers occupying those offices...or not! Some bright sparks who think that adding more residential properties is going to help?. What and who? The coffers of the council I suspect not the well being of existing residents. There is so much more that we should be looking at changing and improving That is where imaginations and innovation should be being untilised. At this stage fancy schemes are hollow dreams and should wait until the basics are addressed. There is so much more we should be concentrating on.
Brian Fox
Wednesday 27th February 2013 at 8:56 pm
Brilliant idea.

Great to see imaginative ways to make the town more attractive to everyone. Wilmslow is not just a through route for motorists.

My experience of the Ponyton scheme as a motorist is that the traffic moves better than before, and as a cyclist it's much less intimidating place to cycle through than it was. There seems to be good evidence that these schemes make roads safer, not more dangerous eg http://bit.ly/Y3VVJn

And how about a 20mph limit on our residential streets while we're at it? Our space is for everyone, and at the moment those of us in cars can make life very difficult and dangerous for those who are not, particularly children.

Let's be open to new thinking.
Mike Deverell
Thursday 28th February 2013 at 11:12 am
Some nonsense being spouted about the Poynton shared space scheme. As a Poynton resident, I can say that the scheme has improved the village no end. The traffic flows better, the town has a much better feel and, contrary to what some people have said, shops are doing much better. It is not dangerous in the slightest.

This story gives the facts about the scheme: http://bit.ly/XIqIcJ
Simon Worthington
Thursday 28th February 2013 at 12:06 pm
Trees or a hedge to seperate pedestrians and cyclists from the road. Ideal to pop from behind to cross the road and where is the space for all these trees and hedges. Likewise the nonsense of a 20mph blanket speed limit - not a bad idea for school dropping off and picking up time (we have to keep the little darlings safe from all these inconsiderate people taking their children to and from school) but ludicrous at 6am on a sunny Sunday morning.
Great points Heidi. Hawthorn Lane and Hawthorn Street take a huge amount of traffic away from the centre of Wilmslow. I was only pointing out to my young son yesterday at 6pm the problems caused by altering priority by The Carters!!! If these "rat runs" were closed to the traffic passing through (to no benefit to Wilmslow) then the town centre would be gridlock morning and evening. When the new towns are built , (as they surely will be due to the profits involved) at Woodford, Handforth and the greenbelt somehow acquired by Manchester Council by the motorway, the volume of traffic will multiply. Let our visionaries tackle this first before planning grandiose schemes
Simon Worthington
Thursday 28th February 2013 at 4:58 pm
Yes Mike, we are all spouting nonsense about the Poynton scheme. Not what the three shopkeepers I know tell me. Business has picked up after three years of disruption due to various roadworks but to nowhere near the previous levels. The traffic may appear to flow mainly because many people (myself included) now avoid the "not dangerous in the slightest" area. The details I previously posted came to me from those who attended many meetings and noted the huge resistance to one man's pet scheme which was forced through at great expense now and in the future. It truly is a shambles and I would not wish to see such a backward scheme introduced to the centre of Wilmslow. I acknowledge something needs to be done about the traffic, especially as most of the town centre congestion is due to through traffic. Furthermore as I have posted previously, if seven pedestrians (out of 20 "accidents") can manage to walk into stationary vehicles and injure themselves with the present layout how many will manage that feat with no clear demarkation.
Vince Chadwick
Thursday 28th February 2013 at 6:17 pm
This a wonderful breath of fresh air - handing our car-dominated town centre back to the people of Wilmslow, with cars having no more importance than pedestrians or cyclists (why the heck should they?). Good to hear first hand evidence from Mike Deverell that the Poynton scheme is a great success, as such schemes are in Holland and Denmark.

Let's get on and do it!
Peter Davenport
Thursday 28th February 2013 at 7:53 pm
Just a thought about the centre of Wilmslow and its traffic.
Has there been a serious and straightforward traffic counter census been done?(Those with the rubber tube on the road surface)
If this was done in the various directions by Barclays Bank, at least there would be some accurate cogent figures of flows at differing times of the day, and not guess work
Pippa Jones
Thursday 28th February 2013 at 9:40 pm
And just to pick up on Stuart's point about the world changing: there's been a 20% fall in the number of 17-19 year olds learning to drive over the last 5 years and a reduction in car ownership. Maybe the next generation have more sense than us.
Oliver Romain
Friday 1st March 2013 at 6:53 am
Shared space works well in Poynton, however there is much less traffic there and I can't see it working for our main junction. It could work well around Bank Square with a regular expanded proper market and would avoid rat running down Hawthorn Lane.
Mark Russell
Friday 1st March 2013 at 9:03 am
Pippa, i think you will find its more to do with the silly cost of insurance and petrol more than the green credentials of the next generation
Friday 1st March 2013 at 5:13 pm
"A turtle only makes progress when it sticks its neck out."
Martin Hoyle and The Wilmslow Trust have done just that. Pity about the naysayers. What is your solution/contribution to improving our Town Centre? And, by the way I am not talking about changes to car parking or rates or rents. No, it is imaginative thinking that is what is required to recognise that what we have in the built environment of our Town Centre is unnecessarily sad and in the absence of CEC showing any initiative on this topic, then well done Martin. You have started a debate.
Mao Tse Tung said "every march begins with the first step".
The Wilmslow Trust's ideas are just such a first step. But, it may be a long march!
Florence Collier
Friday 1st March 2013 at 5:43 pm
Clive, you beat me to posting the 30th comment! Thank you Wilmslow Trust for opening up such a lively debate about how we might create a more pleasant town centre and roads for all to enjoy/benefit from.
Perhaps residents would like to continue the discussion at Transition Wilmslow's Open Space meeting Saturday morning?
Rehana Hindle
Saturday 2nd March 2013 at 1:14 pm
It's the beginning and together with lots of input and improvements and ideas shared will help wilmslow succeed. Please keep the ideas coming in to improve currently and shape the vision for the future