Number of new confirmed coronavirus cases broken down by local areas

And how many of those were infected within hospitals or Nursing Homes and how many within the general community by track and trace reporting ?

19 people have covid in Wilmslow. How many have cancer? How many need selective operations? How many have lost their jobs?

And the council are saying we need stricter restrictions???!!!!! This madness needs reigning in, we need to live our lives or what’s the point?

It doesn't say 19 people have COVID in Wilmslow.

Maybe then you can kindly tell us what it does say

It says at least 47 people in Wilmslow have COVID, plus an unknown number of the 24 categorised as Handforth and Dean Row, the boundaries of which contain a significant chunk of Wilmslow.

Correct Jon, and 47 too many.

Learn to live with it.

Jobs and wages are replaceable, lives aren’t.

Nowt we can do about that sport. The virus will eventually mutate itself to death. Along will come another one and you can bet your sweet bippy there will not be a world wide lock down ever again. Governments and you will have to learn to live with them.

It's nice to see such caring attitudes from Mark Russell and Kathryn Blackburn; presumably none of your friends, or relatives, have been taken by the virus?

That is 47 who have tested positive it does NOT MEAN they are in ICU, or even near a hospital. The scaremongerers above who say that jobs and salaries are replaceable are presumably on generous pensions or are working on full salary at home in a cosy state. Come to the Hospital Mortuary in Manchester and meet the corpses, an incredible number of young folk who have committed suicide over the last few months. We have increased strokes and heart attack patients admitted via A and E because serious conditions are being missed and treatment delayed by lockdown. We are going to see a Tsunami of cases like this.

Scaremongers? This is a killer virus and has to be treated as such.

There seems to be an increasing rejection of sensible safety advice (distancing and masks) in certain areas (Liverpool the other night comes to mind). Deliberately ignoring this advice is arrogant and selfish at best. Like anti-vaxxers, it is often not those with an un-scientific approach who will die as a result of their behavior. Follow the science!

As someone said to me the other day "there are two main problems controlling virus spread: population density and the density of the population".

@pete. My wife currently has it. But guess what, she’s not dieing, she can breath, and it’s just like the flu. No need to shut everything down. Quite simple, if you get it you stay at home. But the scaremongering has everyone scared. Less than 2% of hospital beds are occupied by covid patients. But what % of the economy is shut? If there are no jobs when this is done then what are people going to do for money, well-being and even fill their time? It’s no all about how much money our inept council can get. And guess what, the higher the scaremongering the more money that get to waste. Wake up and look around.

Good luck Mark, I hope she makes a good recovery and has no lasting effects. Best wishes to you both.

Nothing whatsoever to do with caring more about common sense. Guess you have not read the John Humphries DM article this am seems he is as dense as I am. Who knew ?

Mass hysteria further exaggerated by sensationalist headlines.

The DM?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI

:-)

Youtubers. Makes sense now. Pair of saurs.

Vince Chadwick clearly would rather listen to the propaganda machine. There are plenty of Medics like myself at the "coalface" and can see when the public are being spun a line. Yes it is fear mongering Vince because that fear stops people seeming help for far more serious ailments. FACT you are many times more likely to die of a cancer related illness than Covid 19.
If you are morbidly obese and have type 2 diabetes as a result of your obesity you should be doing your bit by dieting NOW AND NOT demanding that your fellow citizens be confined to their home and loss of livelihood. As I said before perhaps you are a retiree on a generous pension, how lucky for you Vince. It is however the height of selfishness to demand tighter restrictions to punish the younger, poorer and hardworking (who are not smug retirees).
If you are scared stop listening to the fear bilge pumped out by the MSM or stay at home Vince. Jobs and businesses do not come back that easily when the economy crashes and job loss contributes massively to poor health outcomes and early deaths. Please try and look at the bigger picture.

Hi Kareem,

I've followed your posts with interest.

Are you saying that the Govt. and MSM are spinning us a line?

Are you suggesting that the threat to the NHS and the risks attributed to Covid19 are being deliberately overstated?

If you believe this to be the case, who is the winner? Who stands to gain from trashing the economy and keeping people indoors, living in fear?

I ask this question with complete respect - I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm genuinely confused by the information coming from all sides.

To quote Orwell "In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

Kareem Masdoon, I'm listening to official government advice, and I'm ignoring the tin-hat conspiracy theorists who abound on the internet. I'm surprised that you refer to such official advice as 'the propaganda machine'.

I await your answer to Alan Brough's question with interest.

Vince - perhaps go back and read some of your own contributions “this is a killer virus and has to be treated as such” did you make this line up? or plagiarise?

It is exactly this type of false, exaggerated, misleading, sensationalist and ridiculous commentary which needs to stop.

Alan - the press are completely exaggerating and sensationalising the whole debacle. Absolute shambles.

No the MSM are not always telling the truth...have you not heard of spin. I work in a hospital and I am telling you we have been gagged and you are getting an hysterical one sided viewpoint. It is great for revenue and "clicks".

Vince Chadwick sits at home in front of his keyboard and assumes he knows what the reality is like. He has allowed himself to be scared witless by the hysterical news bulletins and assumes he is going to die of Covid if he makes one wrong move. Well when people are scared they lash out and go into an ever deeper state of denial. People also do not like to find out they have been duped, they get angry and do not like the idea that they may have been "played" ....that is all I am saying.

The only pertinent statement about Covid came from Ian Vallance this week, who at last is laying it on the line.
He stated that an effective vaccine may never be found and that we either have a constant series of lockdowns which will destroy the Country and the NHS or we will have to learn to live with the virus.
This should have been front page headlines to help give people a dose of reality.

Kareem Masdoon makes some amazing assumptions about people he has never met. Apparently I am scared witless and never leave home. Furthermore I am apparently angry because I have discovered that I have been duped. News to me on all counts, Kareem. As I've said all along I have no reason to doubt the official advice on C19 so I'm hardly going to consider myself 'duped' am I? That would imply I have discovered that your far-fetched assertions about 'spin' are correct. I have made no such discovery and have no reason to doubt the government's advice. Come on Kareem, apply a bit of logic to your imaginative assertions at least.

The C19-induced cessation of many activities I normally take part in mostly at weekends has prevented my participation there, including my national Trust volunteering activities though I have visited some properties to met up with fellow volunteers while observing the rules. Thankfully unnecessary travel is still permissible so I can get out on my motorbikes (weather permitting) and on my bicycle to enjoy the countryside. You need a new crystal ball, Kareem.

I do, however, have no time for the tin hat conspiracy theorist brigade whether they are burning down 5G telecoms masts because they think their RF radiation causes C19, refusing to vaccinate their children against MMR because they have a skewed vision of the risks, or telling me the government (and the governments of most other countries as well who doing the same as ours) are deliberately misleading their relative populaces over C19 precautions.

However, worse than that Kareem Masdoon continues to insist the official government advice is 'spin' yet fails to answer the obvious question he has been asked - why would they do that? What is the advantage to them of locking down the populace for no reason, not to mention trashing the economy?

Ryan Dance - that post was all my own work. It IS a killer virus and DOES have to be so treated. Furthermore, I know someone who has 'recovered' from C19 many months ago but his life is still far from normal; long term covid is pretty nasty, too.

And I note that you too, while putting forward a conspiracy theory, fail to explain just why the government (and other governments around the world) would do what you accuse them of. Both of you should realise that your wild assertions are somewhat undermined by the fact that neither of you have explained that. It's a glaring hole in your claims and is just one reason why I discount them.

However, I am open minded. Show me some proof, give me some valid reasons why these governments would mislead their populations and I might change my mind.

Re-read my post Vince. When did I use the term “government”? I think you will find...I used the term “press”.

Pot kettle black Vince. Before pontificating about others making wild assertions.

Vince Chadwick it is wonderful you are a volunteer , you are also retired and I suggest you have a comfortable pension. You have not denied these facts perhaps you could have a little empathy for those younger than you who are losing jobs, livelihoods and homes because of these draconian lockdowns.

You did not comment on Ian Vallance's observation this week i.e "we may have to learn to LIVE with the virus" he advises the Government you say you only respect Government advice. Why are the behavioural Scientists the Government use and people like Ferguson who has been wrong many times before better than the other Scientists and Doctors who are speaking out about measures used to tackle this pandemic?
Most Governments take their cue from the WHO an organisation which has backtracked and obfuscated and changed course. Governments are not always right or honest, did you believe Blair when he said Iraq had nuclear warheads which were pointed at the UK..Hans Blix and UN weapons inspectors found nothing. Did you accuse those who questioned Campbell's dodgy dossier (did you call those Tinfoil hat wearers). You need to start being less pliable and gullible.


Have a read of the attached sent to me by a Medical colleague. I mentioned the 4Th Industrial Revolution (If you Google you can see Matt Hancock expounding on the subject) . The powers that be are going to use the fall out from the Pandemic to usher in a not so palatable "new dawn".
Read it to the end and perhaps do some research before you accuse others of being conspiratorial. I have commented on heart breaking scenes I have witnessed with my own eyes and the level of suicides an attempted suicides we have been dealing with in A and E is shocking and it is ALL related to lockdowns.
I think you need to have more empathy.

Just a final note to say that the World Bank offered loans to various countries on the condition that they imposed strict lockdowns and "crashed their economies" .Granted one country was Belarus with it's authoritarian regime. But they also offered the same terms to Madagascar and Tanzania (who told them to get lost) Crashing the economies sets the stage for a new fiscal order. Cash is discontinued and currency is digital the UN are very keen for countries to introduce Universal Benefit(I have not made that up it is all there on record). Sturgeon herself is very approving of the idea of UB. The UN, WEF and World Bank would never let a good crisis go to waste.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590051X20300137

The Science Direct article makes very interesting reading and is full of sci-fi possibilities that could keep us awake all night.

Bear in mind that the 4ir has been underway for some time now and the main stakeholders are not state owned or sponsored - quite the contrary.

This is a global pandemic that touches nations of every political hue - hard to believe that there could be any sinister consensus among World leaders to use the virus to their advantage. The devastating impact on world finances, trade and investment in the short and medium term make it highly unlikely that any modern, democratic administration (5 year thinking) would sign up to the project.

In the absence of some sort of "Ernst Stavro Blofeld" character, I'm still inclined to believe that this is a nasty, potentially lethal virus that should be treated with caution and respect in much the same way as those that nature has thrown at us periodically over centuries.

Kareen Masdoon, please cease being so judgmental, not least because it leads you to inaccurate suppositions as I pointed out yesterday. You call me 'pliable and gullible' which would come as a surprise to those who know me. But then you don't know me, but it doesn't stop you projecting your assumptions as if they are facts. Again, you assert "I only respect government advice". What drivel! What I actually said was that on C19 I prefer to follow government advice than follow unsupported conspiracy theories.

Back in the day I seemed to be one of the few down the pub who saw straight through Blair's 'WMD' lies and I could not believe how many were taken in by him. Especially when the UN inspectors had said "we're 95% sure there's no WMD; give us a couple of weeks and we'll be 100% sure". To me, Blair's assertions did not add up. And neither do yours re the government spinning on C19 precautions. Blair lied because he wanted to go into Iraq. What is the motive for the present shower trashing the economy? (I have no time for them as a government, by the way, they lie, they do not provide leadership, and they seem out of their depth) so it's not any sort of blind faith in them on my part. And as for their Brexit lies which have got them into power with a large majority... well, let's not go there.

As for my employment and pension status, that is none of your business. You assume that because I don't deny your projected assumptions on personal issues that your projected assumptions are therefore true. The real truth is that I don't have to justify myself to you. I find your assumptions impertinent at best. Let's keep this discussion on a professional level please.

I had a quick read though the document you attached and my thoughts were 'maybe some of it will happen, and maybe one day, but not for a while yet'. There may well be a 4th technology-led industrial revolution but I know a bit about technology and while there are interesting advances in robotics and transport automation, there's a long way to go yet before the scenarios described in that document could be implemented in any meaningful way. If I have time, I may go through it again more thoroughly.

I don't think Alan that anyone disagrees with the nasty virus being treated with respect element - but a growing percentage do disagree with the trashing of the economy and thereby the trashing of millions and millions of jobs and lives with it.

"Kareem Masdoon, I'm listening to official government advice, and I'm ignoring the tin-hat conspiracy theorists who abound on the internet."
Neatly explains the problem. The tin hat brigade (follow the money) are the ones advising the Gubmint. For further proof see the "Professor" from Cork Uni (just had to wipe the tears of laughter away) on Irish telly earlier in the week with his "refridgerated trucks, mass graves and 30,000 deaths. Quickly debunked by a six year old (nearly).
Kathryn, Kareem, Ryan (oh where have you been - and for once we agree) and others. Keep up the good work and try to help and enlighten the "believers".

“It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” – Mark Twain.

I like that Mark Twain quote ;)) lets meet back in 6 months and see what Vince Chadwick has to say. It is amazing that he acknowledges the economy is being trashed but seems to support the lockdowns. Also I made the dig about the comfortable pension because people like Vince Chadwick have nothing to lose with long harsh lockdowns. I still do not get one ounce of empathy in his comnents (for people who are really suffering) .I do hope this is not an "out of touch"arrogance .
And Alan Brough it is not Science Fiction ...Science Direct is a respectable Science journal with many peer reviewed articles. It is all very well for the old and comfortable to stick their fingers in their ears and smear alternative evidence (of which their is much) . I assume the 2 above elderley gents would refuse the advice of senior Oncologist Professor Neil Dalgleish (who opposes harsh lockdowns) because he is not their kind of "expert"

Hi Kareem,

I’m not sure that I classify as an elderly gent just yet, but I guess it’s all relative.

I’ve tried to treat you and your point of view with respect in this discussion and since that’s not reciprocated, I see no point in getting involved in a slanging match so I’ll wish you well and move on to more constructive projects.

Amen indeed to that, so me too.

Bye Kareem.

Thanks Gents and see you back here in 6months to a year or thereabouts and we will see if things have gone back to "normal". (I think you may be in for a few nasty shocks) ;)

The primary purpose of surgical masks is to prevent splashes and droplets contaminating the wearer’s nose, mouth and respiratory tract. They do not protect against airborne particles and are not classified as respiratory protective equipment (Coia et al 2013). ... However, masks do form part of the protective equipment for theatre staff against splashes of bodily fluids (NICE 2016). For example, in the case of the scrubbed surgical team, they may prevent large droplets from the mouth and nose entering the surgical site. Specialist masks, such as surgical n95 respirators, offer protection from inhalation of surgical smoke and laser plume as they reduce inhalation of a wide range of hazardous particles (Benson et al 2013).
Association of Perioperative Practice, Infection Control Guideline.

And still people cling to these masks as though they are effective.

I don't believe it so I'll stick my fingers in my ears and go "tra-la-la".

Here's an informative video that demonstrates how mask-wearing is effective in limiting virus spread. Limiting spread, note. Certainly not eliminating it.

Masks are an altruistic precaution - they offer a level of protection to others from a wearer who may be symptomatically or asymptomatically (so unknowingly) infected, rather than offering much protection to the wearer from such spreaders.

The video also has some sage words on the pandemic from Dr Anthony Fauci.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66wJFD3bs&feature=emb_logo

Corona virus was not even in the top ten killers in September 2020. Why are the politicians ruining our economy? This is crazy!

Chuckle. Fauci who knew of the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine in 2005? then swapped horses when the payday approached and the one horse media jumped on his back. Criminal charges in France and Brazil (hopefully to come here - are you watching at Oxford Uni) for deliberately cocking up trials.
Mask wearing was demanded by the retail business to restore confidence in the punters and get them to spend. As even the most gullible must have noticed the result is "over confidence" and lessening of "social distancing" along with damaging children's immune system developement.
If one is to form an opinion it is advisable to be well informed and also to have an ability to comprehend the variety of information presented. This is most desirable when the herd mentality abounds.
For a bit of light reading and enlightenment on prole control try Stanley Milgram and Leon Festinger.

Very good and interesting video that Vince, so there you go wear a mask and if two people talking together and both wear a mask even better, never mind saying "

Anthony Fauci is no God , though perhaps he seem so when compared to his President. He is a very clever man who like all mere mortals makes mistakes and he confused the public with his u turns in the middle of the Pandemic. Unfortunately Dr Fauci in his zeal for securing huge grants has allowed himself to get too close to some dreadful Pharma companies (Gilead in particular). And please don't insult my intelligence by using the pathetic over used trope "Conspiracy Theorist" it is tired and is just a means to shut down debate.

European Doctors (many very senior as named in the linked article) have perfectly reputable and plausible theories on the use of the various (already available) drug therapies to help treat Covid. ALL should be given equal consideration. When politics and big money interests get involved in a Pandemic crisis the public are the REAL losers alas.

https://spectator.com.au/2020/05/dr-faucis-diabolical-deal/

So (still sniggering) the "professor" from Cork is a malarial "expert" and also in receipt of Gates cash. And now we have the fully discredited Ferguson (millions from Gates, Imperial over £200 million) banging on again in the Telegraph. This man should be in the dock!!
Mask latest. Massive Danish research project. Three medical journals refuse to publish.
German neurologist warns of the effect on the brain of hypoxia due to mask wearing.
Warnings of fungal lung infection from dirty masks. Very hard to treat.
MASKS DO NOT PROTECT EYES!!
Herd immunity. Gupta at Oxford. Unusual difficulty in having anything on the subject published.
Hydroxychloroquine. Lancet forced to apologise for false reports.
The great reset? Conspiracy or not? Personally I don't trust WHO, Governments (especially PRC), big pharma, plod, banks and as for "Our NHS", Stevens and a few of his colleagues should also be in the dock!

Simon Worthington, just for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5npQivAmcE

More youtube nonsense from VC.

Sir Patrick Vallance " All of the evidence from previous epidemics of this type of infection would suggest that you cannot avoid this bubbling back up"

KB, in that video a doctor puts on not just one mask, but SIX masks at once while the oximeter display shows no corresponding drop in his blood oxygen level.

The nonsense is not that video but is Simon Worthington's anti-mask wearing claim that wearing just ONE mask (never mind 6!) induces hypoxia (a reduction in blood oxygen level).

He also claims that 'masks do not protect eyes'. Actually, they do, by greatly limiting any liquid-ejection from the nose and mouth of an infected wearer which might otherwise land in the eyes of someone else. As I said earlier, mask wearing is altruistic; it principally protects others rather than offering significant protection to the the mask wearer themselves. Not to wear one in circumstances where one should wear one is selfish at the very least.

Obviously you did not linger on that nonsensical video long enough to view the comments made upon it beneath. Suggest you do.