Government sets out its preferred route for HS2 from Crewe to Manchester

The Government has today (Tuesday 15th November) sets out its preferred route for second phase of HS2 confirming that the new service will connect Crewe to Manchester.

The proposal for the western leg will see HS2 continue north from Crewe to Manchester Airport and then on to Manchester city centre, where a new HS2 station will be built next to Manchester Piccadilly.

There will also be a connection to Liverpool and to the existing West Coast main line allowing HS2 services to continue north, serving stations to Glasgow and Edinburgh.

Changes on the western leg, which Department for Transport is consulting on, are moving the previously proposed rolling stock depot at Golborne to a site north of Crewe; moving the approach to Manchester Piccadilly up to 370 metres eastwards (to avoid direct impact on residential properties and a school at West Gorton) and moving the route in the Middlewich - Northwich area in Cheshire up to 800 metres westwards.

Transport Secretary Chris Grayling said: "HS2 is an ambitious and exciting project and the government is seizing the opportunity it offers to build a transport network fit for the 21st century; one that works for all and makes clear to the world that Britain remains open for business.

"The full HS2 route will be a game-changer for the country that will slash journey times and perhaps most importantly give rail passengers on the existing network thousands of extra seats every day. They represent the greatest upgrade to our railway in living memory.

"But while it will bring significant benefits, I recognise the difficulties faced by communities along the route. They will be treated with fairness, compassion and respect and, as with Phase One, we intend to introduce further compensation which goes over and above what is required by law."

In response to today's announcement, Cheshire East Council has confirmed it will now work with HS2 to put effective engagement processes in place to ensure that residents' and businesses' concerns are heard by government.

Council Leader Rachel Bailey said: "This is the news that we have been working towards over the last five years or more and delivers the message that Cheshire East is truly open for business

"This will support our local communities through the creation of new skills and a further step towards full employment in the borough.

"It presents new learning, educational and training opportunities unequalled since the heydays of railway engineering in and around Crewe.

"But we stress that our support for HS2 is subject to the highest standards of mitigation and compensation for those affected, whilst also securing the maximum connectivity through the proposed hub station.

"The announcement today by the Secretary of State for Transport is welcomed and this council has been supporting the call for high-speed rail since it was first mooted.

"The huge economic benefits to be had from HS2 must be harnessed for our future generations so that the children and young people of today – and their children and grandchildren – can seize the enormous opportunities that HS2 will deliver.

"I have secured the continued support of the secretary of state for our strategy for a Northern Gateway Development Zone to ensure that the expected growth associated with HS2, will help to take families out of poverty, provide wide-ranging social benefits for residents and produce a new generation of skilled young people.

"By building a solid and substantial growth strategy, the Northern Gateway Partnership, with the support of government, is working hard to ensure that mid-Cheshire and partner areas are ready for HS2 by ensuring that the benefits of growth are delivered across the political and regional boundaries.

"I now want to work with partners and government in developing the case for a full hub station at Crewe."

Christine Gaskell, chair of the Cheshire and Warrington Local Enterprise Partnership and board member of the Northern Gateway Development Zone, said: "The huge economic benefits of HS2 cannot be overstated.

"Evidence from high-speed rail across the world shows that HS2 will bring a huge boost to the Northern Gateway economy. It will deliver new jobs, business opportunities and thousands of homes to the sub-region.

"But benefits of this scale are dependent on having the right hub station solution at Crewe, which sits at the very heart of the national rail network, and delivery of a truly regional rail hub would enable HS2 to play a full role in revitalising the northern economy.

"It will cut journey times to and from London by more than an hour for 1.5 million people across Cheshire, Staffordshire and into North Wales."

Journeys from Crewe to London will take just 55 minutes, 45 minutes quicker than at present and it will carry an estimated 300,000 passengers per day.

Councillor Bailey added: "Cheshire East has long campaigned for this opportunity and now we know for certain that we have succeeded in securing a hub station at Crewe.

"Crewe is a town that desperately needs infrastructure investment on this scale and I am confident that HS2 will transform the economic landscape for Crewe and the wider region.

"However, any celebration is tempered with the knowledge that for some of our residents there will be disruption and the loss of homes and property.

"We are very mindful of this and this council will do everything in its power to ensure that all our residents affected by the construction of HS2 receive the highest standard of compensation."

HS2 Ltd will be holding regular stakeholder and community engagement events from December onwards and into the new year. Details will be made available on the HS2 website.

Click here to download the Crewe to Manchester route section map.

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Jon Newell
Wednesday 16th November 2016 at 7:24 am
I do not understand this insistence that HS2 will reduce journey times. My journey begins when I leave home and ends when I reach my destination. Wilmslow station is very convenient for me, as are Stockport, and Macclesfield to those who live in our community south of Manchester - the plans have no impact on those north of the city.

Under HS2 plans, I will need to drive to Manchester airport, park in what will need to be an extensive car park, find a parking space and travel from the car park to the station. I can not see how movement from car park to platform will take less time the shortened journey.

Currently, I can get from home to Euston in less than 2 hours 20 minutes. Under HS2 plans, it will take longer.

Further, in over 20 years to travelling for London meetings by my chosen route, I always arrived before those based in London - especially those living in Guildford, Brighton, etc.

The real answer to capacity - and a much cheaper alternative - is to decommission 75% of the grossly underused and massively over-priced first class accommodation and replace it with upgraded standard class coaches. A reduction of 75% would be noticed on maybe one or two trains each day - hardly an economic impact.
Jon Armstrong
Wednesday 16th November 2016 at 10:14 am
Why would you go to Manchester Airport? Surely a better, cheaper and faster solution is walk to Wilmslow (say 20 minutes or so), catch the train to Crewe (only 20 minutes) and connect to HS2 there, which given the 55 minutes journey time from Crewe to Euston is likely to give a journey time faster than your current 2 hours 20 minutes.
DELETED ACCOUNT
Wednesday 16th November 2016 at 10:45 am
Jon I often take the train to Crewe and pick up a London train there - the reason is that it is cheaper than buying a straight through ticket from Wilmslow. However, the changeover typically adds significantly to journey time. Coming back I buy a ticket direct to Wilmslow because attempting to get a train from Crewe to Wilmslow late at night is not viable. You would have to see an improved local service from Crewe to Wilmslow in the evenings to make connecting to HS2 at Crewe sensible. Getting HS2 at Manchester Airport - at least you would know that if the worst came to the worst and you want to get home in the evening you can always just pick up at taxi at the Airport.
Jon Armstrong
Wednesday 16th November 2016 at 11:32 am
I work in Crewe and get the train back to Wilmslow every evening. There are 4 trains an hour until 19:00 and 3 trains an hour until 22:00, after which they are less often, like pretty much all rail services.
DELETED ACCOUNT
Wednesday 16th November 2016 at 12:37 pm
Jon - you prove my point. After a meeting in London which might end at 6 pm you will be leaving at about 7 pm at best. Typically you will arrive at Crewe from 20.30 at the earliest. So it always pays to go the most direct route with no changes if you can afford to pay to do so. If you are very late into Crewe - you try getting a taxi to bring you to Wilmslow and at what cost. However late you get into the airport there will always be a taxi to take you a few miles up the road.
Vince Chadwick
Wednesday 16th November 2016 at 1:19 pm
No need to change trains. You will be able to catch an HS2-compliant train at Wilmslow which will join HS2 at Crewe and complete the journey to London on the high speed line. It may not even stop at Crewe (we don't have that level of detail yet) and certainly won't stop after Crewe until it reaches Euston, so will be considerably quicker than today's service.

But it has to be remembered that HS2 is not primarily about speed (that is just a bonus that comes with building a 21st century railway). It's about capacity.

The current West Coast Main Line Crewe to London is nearing capacity and rail travel is growing at an unprecedented rate and every forecast is that rate will not slow. HS2 is the only way to add the required capacity.

Once the longer distance traffic is running on HS2, the 'classic' West Coast Main Line will be able to handle more freight and more 'local' stopping trains. Thus towns such as Lichfield, Tamworth, Rugby etc which currently have a very sparse Pendolino service will enjoy far more trains stopping there.
Debra Conroy
Wednesday 16th November 2016 at 1:51 pm
By the time this is completed, it will be so archaic. Just arrived back from Dubai and they have a hi-tech bullet service to Abu Dhabi. We need to future proof when spending this amount of money and high speed trains in 16 years will be outdated.
Simon Worthington
Wednesday 16th November 2016 at 3:49 pm
"I have secured the continued support of the secretary of state for our strategy for a Northern Gateway Development Zone to ensure that the expected growth associated with HS2, will help to take families out of poverty, provide wide-ranging social benefits for residents and produce a new generation of skilled young people."
"It will deliver new jobs, business opportunities and thousands of homes to the sub-region."
"Crewe is a town that desperately needs infrastructure investment on this scale and I am confident that HS2 will transform the economic landscape for Crewe and the wider region."

You really have to read this nonsense twice or more and then grab the ******** defender.
I am well aware that our Victorian rail system is creaking and bursting at the seams but encouraging yet more people to commute is surely not the answer. If Crewe is 55 minutes from THE CENTRE OF THE KNOWN UNIVERSE (London) all we will see is another dormitory town develop with plenty of scope for the "elite" in their now cheap houses to employ cleaners etc.
However it will be amusing watching the incomers searching for edamame beans, okra, milk free milk, etc.
If all the promises made to Crewe and the NW when the Channel Tunnel was being dug had been kept the area would be booming and some of us may have even used the service!!
Roger Thawley
Wednesday 16th November 2016 at 11:35 pm
HS2 threatens to be yet another tool through which London can drain skills from the north. Better to invest in the proposed HS3 network first and, only when the north is starting to benefit from that, construct HS2 - starting from the north and working towards London.
Bob Bracegirdle
Thursday 17th November 2016 at 1:23 am
First mistake is thinking it should be done at all. Next one should question politicians and ourselves why we reduced the capacity of our main line railways (not branches) 50 years ago and sold off the dedicated routes. The Great Central route was HS2 in the making by. Continental loading gauge and intended for the Channel Tunnel. All destroyed. Now they want to spend billions on a new one. Then look at the Midland main line through Bakewell to Derby connecting the North West with the East Midlands and London. Even Beeching never suggested closing it and now it's a cycle track. Reopen it!

If you really want an HS line the have HS3 to Yorkshire.

Hold politicians to account.
Ryan Dance
Thursday 17th November 2016 at 8:48 pm
plant some wild flower meadows.

It doesn't matter that our rail services are beyond a joke. It's not like they need any investment. We definitely don't need any new capacity....or a high speed rail service.

Our current rail infrastructure is absolutely fine. It's new. Punctual. Economically priced. Works well and fit for the moden age.

Detractors. You are deluded at best.
Bob Bracegirdle
Friday 18th November 2016 at 10:10 am
Ryan. Ask them why they destroyed the infrastructure in the first place. It was there and modernisable. We were told again and again that rail was old fashioned and roads were the answer. My money was used to make the change. Now they want my money again to change back, only they want a lot more of it. I'm pro rail but this is an appalling waste and an indictment of past decisions.
Alan Brough
Friday 18th November 2016 at 10:29 am
@Ryan Dance

Your insults do you no credit.

I am a detractor, I have a vote, this is a democracy, I like flower meadows

I don't disagree that the UK rail infrastructure urgently needs investment. However, I am sceptical that the proposed South to North HS2 plan will do much to benefit commuters in the North of England.

Investment is urgently needed in (what's left of) the branch line network to provide more efficient connections between villages, towns and cities and to offer a viable alternative to road transport.
Jon Armstrong
Friday 18th November 2016 at 11:06 am
Bob, most people who were involved in the Beeching Cuts are long dead so we can't ask them. They got things wrong just like many other decisions in history were wrong. Most of today's rail users and rail operators weren't even born when these decisions were made.

We can continue to moan about decisions of 50 years ago, or we can just accept that we can't change the past and do things now that are appropriate to the modern world.
Vince Chadwick
Friday 18th November 2016 at 12:27 pm
Jon - spot on! We must look to the future. HS2 is a wonderfully exciting bringer of opportunities to this region as high speed rail has been doing for decades in Mainland Europe, Japan, and other places across the globe.

I just wonder why we have to wait 20 years for it. We need it NOW!
Ryan Dance
Friday 18th November 2016 at 9:31 pm
@ Alan Brough

I am not trying to insult anyone Alan. It is indeed a democracy... isn't it wonderful!

Im pro change Alan. The world is changing at a phenomenal pace and it's about time people accepted the hard facts. Change equals significant change. New infrastructure.... millions of new houses..... hospitals... schools.... etc etc. Deny the change ... ignore it... pretend it doesn't exist... enjoy your cosy lifestyles. To hell with the next generation.... not in my backyard pal! We like it how it is.... to hell with the aspirations of the next generation

It's about time people accepted the realities of globalisation.... rapid population growth and the need to change. When those that deny the realities of aspiration and economics prove they haven't indulged.... prove they lives a life of simple means..... living off the land...... i will indeed listen to their idealistic clap trap.

The sad fact is ..... most if not all.... enjoy a frivolous.... convenient... indulgent lifestyle!
Alan Brough
Friday 18th November 2016 at 9:59 pm
@Ryan Dance,

I accept your fulsome apology and share your sadness of the fact that the majority of people seek frivolous, convenient and indulgent lifestyles.

But we must be STRONG!

Lets show them that this short termism is the death of our culture and community. Let's persuade them that this invidious "development" is the work of people who mean us harm.

Ryan, together we CAN make a difference!
Ryan Dance
Saturday 19th November 2016 at 9:04 am
Hs2...or indeed hs3...hardly short termism.

Good to chat. Progression will prevail over regression.

It's just unfortunate that the anti anything mob cause untold delays. I love the rhetoric...the rails ways need investment..just not this one..... we are not against development..(just this one)!

Let's have a green paper .. white paper ...orange paper...let's produce a rainbow colured paper containing thousands of pages of tripe.....let's debate if for 30 years (aka Heathrow airport).
Vic Barlow
Thursday 24th November 2016 at 4:56 pm
Anyone know the current cost of parking for the day at the Airport station?