"Common damaged by lack of respect"

benches painting May 2014

Earlier this week councillors and volunteers were at Lindow Common working to improve the facilities.

The group treated all 24 benches at the Site of Special Scientific Interest to help preserve these memorials to past residents, who have enjoyed the tranquillity of the area.

However, councillors say the work is being hindered by those who show a lack of respect for the site.

Cllr Ruth McNulty said "I was painting a bench last week when a couple walking their Highland Terrier off lead watched it cock its leg on the very bench I was treating. The husband helpfully observed that this was the dog's 'Piddling Bench' and I could smell the veracity of the statement.

"I did wonder whether this activity would add to the attraction of that particular seat as a resting place for other visitors. It did show an extraordinary lack of respect for the memory of past residents."

Cllr Rod Menlove, Chair of the Advisory Group, added "The Common is for the enjoyment of all residents of Wilmslow and to that end we have spent significant sums of Wilmslow taxpayers' money on information boards, leaflets and path resurfacing.

"Regrettably, we have also had to fund fencing to protect particularly vulnerable parts of the Common from damage caused by dogs running free. We have very recently been reassured by Natural England that the mires are all recovering and have responded to their recent enclosure.

"We ask that all visitors respect this living museum and stress that dogs on a lead or under control are very welcome."

The next event at Lindow Common is 'Heavenly Heathland' on Sunday 18th May from 10.00 – 12.30, meeting in the large car park by the Boddington Arms.

Photo: (l to r) are Cllr Ruth McNulty, John Brooks, Cllr Ellie Brooks and Alan McNulty

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Lindow Common, Rod Menlove, Ruth McNulty
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Comments

Here's what readers have had to say so far. Why not add your thoughts below.

Erik Garner
Saturday 10th May 2014 at 8:05 am
This is one of the most talked about topics amongst the local people of Wilmslow, how the Common has been destroyed, not by dogs but by humans.

It has been turned into a site of unnatural beauty by Cheshire East Council allowing the ranger to put up fences and have the cheek to say that dogs and walkers are destroying the land.

For hundreds of years people with horses, sheep and cattle have walked across the Common. People skated on the lake, rowed across it and sailed boats and fished it.

The so called "living museum" used to have dozens of ducks and swans that lived there too. It's a known fact that swans will not dwell anywhere that is fenced. It's not a coincidence that since everything was fenced off that these beautiful creatures have deserted their home.

Now someone has decided that nature isn't good enough and has turned it into an eyesore. Thousands and thousands of pounds, our pounds have been wasted on making this once glorious treasure of the town look hostile and as unnatural as possible. Councillor McNulty is at least trying to do some good for the Comon but sounds a little pompous with her statement about dogs cocking their legs on her bench. I reckon the dog was making a statement, "leave our Common alone"!

While I'm at it, sadly you've wasted your time putting the cheapest possible water based fence treatment on a bench that people are going to sit on. It will wear off in no time and probably onto people's clothes! At least use a woodstain that's fit for purpose. Better still just leave them to nature. They'll last longer and will simply blend in.

You can't see the lake from most if them anyway because of the fences and the overgrown gorse so why bother? What is their objective? Is it to drive away all the wildlife, people and dogs? It would certainly appear so. Take down the fences and give the Common back to its rightful owners, the people of Wilmslow.
Alison Mcgovern
Saturday 10th May 2014 at 12:06 pm
Eric is right in everything he says. As I side note, I rather imagine that many of the people who have benches dedicated to their memory would be shocked and disappointed by the state of the common today.Please stop the councilors trying to demonise the common users , especially the dog walkers.
Brendan Hunt
Saturday 10th May 2014 at 12:39 pm
I think the dog should be put down, it clearly has not got the common sense to read a memorial plaque and respect it. I blame the parents. The council should have the courage of their convictions and erect 12 foot barricades around the perimeter of the common, maybe a land mine or two. Only then will the local community realise that the common is not a community asset to be enjoyed by them and their families as we have for decades, but in fact a large home for a handful of nesting birds, the rest of us should simply go elsewhere. GET OFF THEIR LAAAAND
Nick Jones
Saturday 10th May 2014 at 2:28 pm
Its not common land . in the true meaning that the name 'common' suggests......... maybe once it was ....... but not now..... its now overly managed and manicured becoming merely a series of footpaths that some people (additional to CEC resources )...from their own good will , invest time and effort in preserving.... but ... common sense please ... this cant be the most important issue occurring in Wilmslow today surely ?? .

And from living on the edge of a green belt... why would you want to walk dogs around here other than extreme convenience ? Use the green belt / countryside paths whilst you still can ... claim the right !! ( otherwise the developments will start sooner than you think !! ) or the travellers will move in !!
Brendan Hunt
Saturday 10th May 2014 at 3:45 pm
Hi Nick,

Let me get this straight, if we don't walk in the greenbelt travellers will move onto it, if the greedy developers leave any space. Right Ho, pass me my wellies.

What is extreme convenience ? and how does it compare to convenience.
Tony Hughes
Sunday 11th May 2014 at 3:51 pm
I'm a member of the Lindow Common Advisory Group, unofficially representing the views of users of the common, dog walkers and non dog walkers. On my daily dog walk today I came upon a pile of rubbish that, on examination, looks as though someone has intentionally taken a bag of home refuse and dumped and scattered the contents on the ground. I have a photo which I intend to send to the other members of the committee. As far as I can tell this incident is not dog-related!
Now, the common, whether you like it or not, is an SSSI, and there is nothing I, the committee or the town council can do about it, even if we wanted to. The only way to reverse it is to get yourself a time machine and start kicking up one hell of a stink about 51 years ago. So we're stuck with it; move on...
Taking this into consideration, the committee as a whole is attempting to obey the law where an SSSI is concerned, whilst also trying to meet the needs of Wilmslow residents. This is not easy.
I am informed by our excellent ranger that Natural England, who oversee the common and take an active interest in what goes on there, could if they wanted, slap a blanket "no dogs" ban on the common, and that would be the end of that. As the majority of users are dog owners, the common would become Wilmslows' forgotten wonder.
The ranger and our committee know that a dog ban would cause a right royal row with users of the common and DO NOT want to go down this course.
At our next meeting I intend to ask the committee to tone down the language regarding dogs and their owners. Dog owners are, after all, the same Wilmslow residents we are aiming to represent. But it is up to us, the users of the common, to do our part in respecting the site. We must clear up after our dogs, we must not leave litter or be in any way destructive on the common. And, here's the hardest bit, we need to clear up after other people have made a mess.
As it stands at the moment there is no danger of us losing our access to this precious Wilmslow beauty spot. But we must never let it get to that stage either.
Helen Hayes
Monday 12th May 2014 at 12:41 pm
Hi

I was walking my dogs recently on the Common, I live opposite so am a very regular user of this "living museum".

Councillor McNulty was indeed busy staining benches. I was upset when she shouted that my dogs should be on leads, I referred her to the monument which clearly says the Common is for the use of the people of Wilmslow. I offered to walk her to it to show her in case she wasn't clear about the reasons for us all to be in possession of this land. She declined, pointing out that the Common is SSSI and then began to talk about ground nesting birds. I'd suggest she read a chap who is an expert in such matters. The chap, Charles Darwin, wrote a book of some note: On the origin of the species.

Do people really give credence to the idea that in nature ground nesting birds are untroubled by dogs, foxes, badgers etc?

A couple of months ago, on a bench lay around a dozen odd socks. I didn't know if this was an art installation or random laundry but I left them there. Why? Because the Common is for everybody's use and to use as they see fit. I do pick up litter regularly and always clear up after my dogs. But I will use it as I see fit, as is my right.

Surely the Councillor would be better placed praising people who are obviously practicing safe sex on the Common (judging by the times you can see condoms there) than concerning herself with ground nesting birds. People use the Common for all sorts of things, a child learning to ride a bike is a frequent sight as are the Twitchers who come to see the bird life. And isn't that brilliant? All of us going about our business using this most generous gift in the spirit in which it was given.

Please take the fences down and let the Common be used rather than viewed.
Dave Cash
Tuesday 13th May 2014 at 4:39 am
New, stricter sentencing guidelines for dog owners whose pets cause injury to others, on private or public land, eg toddler learning to ride a bike.
Unless an unleashed dog is trained to respond to the 'heel' command immediately, the risk is still present and how can all dog owners recover faeces?
Keeping dogs on extendable leads can help and conform to rule of keeping dogs on lead.
Farmers still have right to shoot unleashed dogs considered to be worrying life stock on their farmland. I realise not Lindow Common or the Carrs.
A dog loving Country-sider. not a Townie
Tuesday 13th May 2014 at 8:41 am
That someone who gives up their personal time, effort and energy to be a very active Councillor must be applauded in the first place and then to give up even more of those freedoms in the service of others to litter-pick Wilmslow and now to redecorate Common benches is deserving of the utmost respect. I for one am much impressed by such dedication on behalf of the Wilmslow community and cannot help wondering whether the armchair critics would be prepared to put so much in to something they believe in.
Vince Chadwick
Tuesday 13th May 2014 at 4:15 pm
I agree with Clive Bassil's point and am appalled that while a bench was being treated by a volunteer a dog was encouraged by its owners to wee on it! What kind of half-wit has that sort of selfish uncaring attitude? Unfortunately quite a few do, or so it would seem from some of the responses here.
Steph Sankey
Tuesday 13th May 2014 at 5:19 pm
Wake up and smell the coffee, Councillors! Or the wee...?
Do you honestly think that dogs respect the bench legs, whether you are there or not?? It's one of dogs' favourite spots to wee, but doesn't for one minute mean they, or their owners, are disrespecting the people whom they were erected for!!
Not sure my dog at any rate could differentiate between a bench leg and a small tree??!
James MacDonald
Tuesday 13th May 2014 at 8:07 pm
I agree with Clive and Vince. I have no issues with dog walkers as long as they are responsible when walking them in public. However, allowing a dog to urinate on a bench which was in the process of being preserved is out of order and shows a lack of respect to others.
Andrew Lever
Wednesday 14th May 2014 at 12:31 am
Hmm
Farmers have the right to shoot dogs, really? Last time I checked the law on this they only have that right if there is a serious uncontrolled threat to livestock with no owner present. Not entirely sure this applies on the common but hey ho let's not let the facts get in the way of a good scare story.
Armchair critics, I've tried walking my dogs from my arm chair but they get bored pretty quickly and it think my old armchair would look a bit of an eyesore dumped on the common. Then again maybe not, you probably couldn't see it through all the fences.
To the the good lady councillor et al; just because you think you're worthy doesn't mean you add worth.
Helen Hayes
Wednesday 14th May 2014 at 10:25 am
Can I please add, my dogs weren't guilty of cocking their legs - they are both female.

Also, I'd be perfectly happy if the passion for preserving via fencing was channelled into something which does greater good for the people in the community rather than some rarified creatures that nest on the ground. #evolution

Let's not forget that we pay for these Councillors from our pockets. Good use of that money?
Helen Glass
Wednesday 14th May 2014 at 4:08 pm
ONE lady has ONE bad experience with ONE dog and the common turns into the Bronx. 'Encouraged their dog to wee'...so these owners stood about for five/ten minutes coaxing Fido to cock it's leg up a selected bench, they should enter him on Britains Got Talent. I would suggest that the dog, which was off lead, walked over to the bench (probably the other end that was being painted) and cocked its leg, as dogs do. Unfortunately, dogs don't have the same embarrassment that humans suffer with about proper behaviour in public, that's why they clean their bits and engage in sexual conduct wherever they fancy. They are not trying to be disrespectful to people that have passed on, if only they could read they would realise its a memorial bench. 'Owners just looked on'...what were they supposed to do in mid flow. To use the term half wit is disrespectful too, you are making a judgement based on one side of a story about someone you've never met. I am too of the opinion that the fences are an eyesore and have yet to speak to anybody locally with a different opinion. I have lived in Wilmslow for 20 years, have used the Common daily and feel that it has now lost all that was so lovely about it. Has anybody told the wildlife what side of the fence they are to stay on? If they decide to start going elsewhere will the fences be moved about to accommodate? Is one of the volunteers going to visit the houses around the common to let people know that cats must not enter the common without a responsible owner. I saw two yesterday inside the fenced bit, they obviously didn't get the memo, and I am sure they like to eat birds and wildlife, especially low nesting ones, as it saves them the bother of climbing trees. Rather than spend significant amounts of Wilmslows tax payers money on something that nobody wanted changing to start with, why not use it to reduce business rates to encourage new business to the area which is much more needed or maybe free parking in Wilmslow centre to encourage people to visit the businesses that are just about managing to survive.
Vince Chadwick
Wednesday 14th May 2014 at 9:43 pm
Thanks Helen G. You illustrate the point of my post perfectly!
Thursday 15th May 2014 at 1:50 pm
Could Councillor McNulty identify the sign on the Common that says dogs should be on the lead? If there isn't a relevant sign why on earth is she shouting at dog walkers? If there is one then maybe the sign needs to be more obvious.

I'm aware that there is some rare plant on the Common and we as Wilmslow residents have provided a good deal of money to fence off the part where this is growing which seems like a fair compromise to me. In that case why are dogs being asked to walk on the lead?

Maybe the Council need to be clear on exactly what they are asking.
Chris Hayes
Tuesday 20th May 2014 at 2:41 pm
I haven't got a dog and I don't visit Lindow very often, but on Sunday, I thought I would push my little granddaughter, in her buggy, around the lake to see the ducks.
Nobody told me that we would need binoculars. What a disappointment.
So much vegetation (lovely wild flowers) around the lake, behind the fencing, that she could hardly see the water, never mind the ducks.