'Constant din' from street musicians annoys retailers

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Some retailers in Wilmslow are fed up with street musicians who they claim are interfering with their business.

Ian Parkinson, manager of Vision Express on Grove Street, said "A lot of shop workers are suffering the annoyance of street musicians on Grove Street. I have contacted the Police and Council because when they are outside your shop door you can't trade properly and it interferes with business.

"The police moved them on and I have been advised to contact Diane Smith (Town Centre Manager at CEC) - apparently they have no policy in place to say what they can and cannot do. This is a bit frustrating, particularly as I was asked to move my A-board closer to my window last year as we are trying to make the town centre more appealing!

"I have discussed these players with other shop keepers and owners and the feedback is the same it's not real music, it's a constant din to quote one trader."

Ian added "You can't have the door open when they are playing and you can't trade properly - when I am on the phone to hospitals discussing people's details and there's 'Bare Necessities' blaring out on the clarinet.

"People keep asking if it gets on our nerves. It's not about personal taste but some of them cannot play."

Jodi Tann, Manager of Clarks, said "It really does affect trade. Sometimes it is so loud we turn our radio down and then the music stops and you find you are shouting at your customers.

"The Environmental Health Officer moved them on today but as soon as he was gone they came back. It's not just us, our customers complain as well."

Jodi added "I wouldn't mind if they learnt some new songs but when they are here for a full day I sometimes feel like throwing a shoe at them."

Sarah from another Grove Street store commented "They play the same songs over and over again and we've had a few comments from our customers saying I bet you get fed up of them.

"I know they are only trying to make a living but maybe they can move up and down the street as they are always in the same area. It is a bit annoying and I know the Police have been a few times to move them on."

Councillor Les Gilbert, Cabinet member in charge of communities and regulatory services, said: "Busking is deemed a non-licensable activity under the Licensing Act 2003. However, Cheshire East Council is aware of complaints about street busking and is considering how it can best address this issue to suit all parties."

What do you think about the street entertainers in Wilmslow? Share your views via the comment box below.

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Alex Goron
Tuesday 18th June 2013 at 2:17 pm
Anything that makes the town centre more appealing is a good thing and I like the idea of buskers and the colour and interest they bring. However I don't have to live with the reality of them as outlined above. I guess some judicial restraint is required. If they are decent then they can add to the experience of shopping in town and should be allowed to stay. If they only know one song however that sounds like some kind of torture for the people working on the high street. You should come out of your shops and demand they play something else or move on. If they just plain aren't very good then as a shopper I don't want top have to hear them anyway so you have my support in kicking them on.

Please don't bottle up your ire to the point of explosion on an unsuspecting council or police offer where the reaction is to ban all busking. That would be a shame. In London do they have to prove themselves suitably talented in front of a panel in order to busk in the subway hotspots?

You should have a work policy. If you hear the same tune within the hour
you all go outside and pelt the busker with your lunch.
Jon Lacey
Tuesday 18th June 2013 at 2:28 pm
I work full time on Grove Avenue and we can hear the same 5 tunes from the guys with the Clarinet over and over all day every day. There are 10 people in our office and each member of staff are very angry about this constant din .. Surely they would earn more cash up in Manchester with more people walking past, instead of annoying people on their lunch breaks!

Don't get me wrong .. the guy can play .. but he only has 5 tunes!
Philip Barton
Tuesday 18th June 2013 at 3:22 pm
The real problem is that these are not talented musicians but effectively talentless beggars.
I believe in London they regulate the busking and they are licenced to specific spots - and they are talented. However even in London you still get the same problem with talentless beggars roaming round the main tourist spots.
My sympathies are with the shop workers - it must be even worse at Christmas!
Simon Worthington
Tuesday 18th June 2013 at 3:56 pm
I have asked shop staff on Grove Street how they bear the racket! If their employer was making this noise in the workplace they would be in breech of "elf'n'safety" and an enforcement order issued.
Rob McCall
Tuesday 18th June 2013 at 3:56 pm
Just a thought, but perhaps the shop assitants of Waterstones could provide them with some sheet music to extend their repertoire!
Sally Hoare
Tuesday 18th June 2013 at 7:32 pm
I agree totally with Alex Goran, I look forward to hearing the buskers as I walk down the street and would hate to see a blanket ban. I can sympathise that the small repertoire and poor musicians may be annoying to workers though. Maybe they could be limited to a certain time span and to certain rotating plots. I`m not sure what the town centre manager does but maybe they could regulate these people.
However I`d rather keep the buskers and get rid of the professional charity chuggers.
Ian Parkinson
Tuesday 18th June 2013 at 8:53 pm
I don't know what you do Sally for employment but I bet you don't have to work in an Amplfied carnival din.... in addition Alex I don't think a blanket ban has been called for.. if people stop paying these so called buskers who are turning the town into a begging pit we could live a peaceful day at work. It's worsened in the last 15 months and the fivers I see being thrown at them may make you all think differently.... ever likely they will be here to stay.. #paynotax
Tony Hughes
Tuesday 18th June 2013 at 11:13 pm
I'm a professional, classically trained musician, and in my (humble) opinion buskers are not talentless. Far from it. They may not be where they want to be in life, and busking is not the easiest way to make ends meet. Unfortunately their talent and potential is not being optimised.
However I have a great deal of sympathy with businesses and their staff due to the repetitiousness of the music, provided you don't have your own piped music; then my sympathy evaporates.
I find it difficult to believe that takings are affected. When I'm in town I'm there for a limited time; not enough time for it to annoy, not enough time to hear repetitions. In fact, it gives the shopping experience some character, and the boring street some musical colour. Some days we're in Italy, sometimes Mexico, then Vienna.....
I think licensing would be best. Small administrative fee (or fee going to charity), specific and limited playing times. If they are not good enough, theoretically, shoppers won't donate. The best entertainers will rise to the top.
And, well said Sally. Charity hawkers are the worst. They really will affect business trade. If there is one outside a certain locksmith I will make a detour to the other one. (For locksmith read chemist/coffee shop/card shop/jewellers etc
Dave Cash
Wednesday 19th June 2013 at 3:33 am
I am not aware that Grove St and enivirons is plaqued daily by buskers without talent.
A variety of instruments are employed, often without amplification. IMO they are no more beggar's than the legit Big Issue sellers or Charity collectors frequenting Grove St occ. Donations are at the public's discretion, based on product offered..
To avoid shop-worker discomfort from a continuous limited repertoire from a single 'al fresco' artiste, how about designating 2 ind seperate 'busker bays' in Grove St, one from Water L to Grove Av and other from Grove Av to Bank Sq, Max stay 1 hrNo return within 2 hr
Indeed some shops may then encourage buskers to pitch in front of their shop, as pedestriians may pause briefly to the music and observe the nearby shop windows
Simon Worthington
Wednesday 19th June 2013 at 6:38 am
Big Issue sellers are classed and usually registered as self employed even if foreign, charity chuggers (very annoying) are volunteers. Are these buskers "working" and either claiming benefits or not paying tax or both? They may be entertaining for a few minutes as one strolls down Grove Street but try working for a few hours whilst an accordion or clarinet player with five "tunes" blasts out all day. This issue is about the workers in the vicinity who are suffering. You wouldn't want to watch a clown for five or six hours! Or Eastenders!
Alex Goron
Wednesday 19th June 2013 at 9:10 am
Actually Simon I don't believe "the issue" (as if there were only one) is about working conditions. It's about the appeal of the town centre, bringing business in, taking working conditions into account.

Can we licence performers? I'd suggest to obtain a licence they have to be able to prove they are registered self employed, be able to perform well and have a large enough repertoire not to induce local workers to self harm.
Sally Hoare
Wednesday 19th June 2013 at 6:41 pm
Simon, I`m not against volunteer charity collectors who do a wonderful job. I`m talking about the ones on large commissions for getting people to sign up to direct debits. Ian, I am now recently retired but have worked on several High Streets and have generally enjoyed the music offered by buskers. Some form of registration is what is needed. I`m sure the local PCSOs can ensure they do not block doorways or windows.
Lynne Prescott
Friday 28th June 2013 at 1:08 pm
At least they're not drums!! I had to stop going in to Manchester City centre because of the extremely loud Drum band outside Marks and Spencer. How anyone could tolerate that on a regular basis is more than I can understand. In Wilmslow however, I do tend to side with Alex and Sally - I enjoy the buskers when I go into town and shop, and yes, I have given them money (particularly the South American accordian player - he was so cheerful!), although I can understand that workers wouldn't want to hear it all day. I think it would be a better idea to limit the hours they can play and move locations for variety rather than operate a blanket ban. Has anyone tried talking to them calmly and reasonably about this option?