Councillors oppose ST Lounge licence renewal

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Three of Wilmslow's local councillors have spoken out to oppose the renewal of the sexual entertainment licence for a lap dancing club on Grove Street, which they consider to be an inappropriate location for the venue.

Councillors Gary Barton, Wesley Fitzgerald and Rod Menlove have released the following statement, in response to representation they have received from various Wilmslow residents and based on their own concerns.

"We believe that the renewal of a sexual entertainment license for the ST Lounge on Grove Street, Wilmslow should be refused. This is not an objection relating to the specific applicant, nor purely a moral objection to such establishments.

"We believe that Grove Street is a wholly inappropriate location for sexual entertain venues. Grove Street is at the heart of our shopping centre and the presence of a strip club is significantly harmful and a blight on the character of the locality. We are urgently seeking ways to support our struggling shops whilst also encouraging the development of a thriving café and restaurant culture – a process damaged by this application.

"The location itself is close to four of the Wilmslow's major churches and almost on the doorstep of Wilmslow Prep as well as being on the route home for a number of Wilmslow High School's pupils. Furthermore, the relatively compact nature of Wilmslow town centre means that the location of this application all but backs on to the primarily residential roads of Hawthorn Street and Grove Avenue.

"The level of public opposition to this application is significant and we wholeheartedly support our local residents and Wilmslow Town Council in recommending that this application be denied."

ST Lounge, which opened in Wilmslow town centre in 2009, has to reapply for their licence annually following Cheshire East Council's adoption of Schedule 3 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982 which came into effect from 4th April 2011.

Van Leisure Limited, who operate the lap dancing club, applied on Monday 21st January 2013 for the renewal of a licence to use the premises for lap dancing, table dancing, strip shows and full nudity.

The deadline for objecting or supporting this application was February 18th and a decision is expected to be made by the General Licensing Sub-Committee in March.

Do you think ST Lounge should have their licence renewed? Share you views via the comment box below.

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Here's what readers have had to say so far. Why not add your thoughts below.

Steve Savage
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 1:46 pm
"Grove Street is at the heart of our shopping centre"....who are they kidding?? They ripped out the beating heart of Wilmslow many years ago when they pedestrianised it.
Sarah Paterson
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 2:28 pm
Absolutely Steve! The only time I venture into Grove St is to go to the market or the bank. How vibrant it used to be before some smarty pants decided what had worked for a century needed changing!
Simon Worthington
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 2:37 pm
So being close to a church is grounds for refusal is it. The St lounge is open from 9.30pm I understand. Have ANY of the well named "moral minority" even seen the place open. Please send your support to the council for our freedoms to be preserved. Once this rabble succeed in closing this venue they will turn to something else they don't "approve off" next!
Patrick Prinsloo
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 3:18 pm
Let it be licensed! Better that than some nasty illegal club hidden away somewhere offering no protection to workers and clubbers. Firstly, the ST lounge only opens late at night long after Grove Street acts as a shopping centre. Shopkeepers have gone home; shoppers have gone home. And during the day shutters over the venue ensure that no offense can be taken. Secondly, proximity to a church should have no bearing on whether or not the ST operates from its current location. The school kids are long gone and tucked up in bed by the time the doors open, so no threat to their moral wellbeing there. And the venue doesn't back onto a residential area.
It all seems a bit hysterical, doesn't it?
Gary Barton
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 3:22 pm
I am glad that people enjoy the wonderful Artisan market that is only possible because of the pedestrianisation of Grove Street. The pedestrianisation happened over 20 years ago and I would suspect that the rise of internet shopping and the emergence of out-of-town shopping are jointly the primary cause for the decline of Wilmslow's (and almost everywhere else's) high street shops. Although lower business rates (set by central Government) would also provided much needed help. I also doubt that the retailers on Grove Street would want the pedestrianisation to be reversed – although I happy to listen to opinions to the contrary from local businesses. Preserving freedoms is hugely important, but it is always a balancing act. This is not a moral objection, and if it were it would carry no weight in licensing law. This is about appropriate locations for different types of businesses and the character of Wilmslow Town Centre.
Graham Jackson
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 4:22 pm
Gary, well you may have answered your own suggestion. If Wilmslow town center can't compete with the internet/out of town sector. How about making it easy for people to park 'n' shop (for a limited time) as an alternative. Grove Street was thriving when cars were allowed to park for short periods or is this to pc now?
Vince Chadwick
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 5:19 pm
I well remember when Grove St was the preserve of the motor vehicle. Trying to negotiate the crowded narrow footpaths on Saturday afternoon with a toddler in a buggy and another walking was sheer hell. But hey, it enabled a few lazy motorists to circle for ages in their cars Grove St - Green lane - Grove St - Green lane until they saw a vacant parking spot and dived into it!

They could have parked elsewhere and walked a hundered yards or so and saved a gallon of petrol in the time they wasted crusing for a slot while making the majority of Grove Street shoppers (the ones on foot) give up 90% of the available space in the street just so these legless folk could stay in their cars right up to the shop doorway!

As I said at the time in the local paper when pedestrianisation was being considered, maybe we should convert Grove St to 'drive-in' shops so these folk would never have to leave their beloved tin boxes. I wouldn't be surprised if some are so in love with the car that take them to bed with them at night!
Sarah Paterson
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 6:00 pm
Vince, you only need to look at the vibrancy of King St in Knutsford to see that it enhances the town no end!
The green patrol are always so quick to blame cars for all their woes. Yes it was a busy street, especially with prams but it was alive!
Tracy Williamson
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 6:54 pm
Well said Sarah, I have in Wilmslow all my life lets just say almost 50 years and over the years I have seen a once very busy market town with it own bus station and market place now the site of Waitrose supermarket, slowly change, some of it down to out of town shopping centres but most of the family owned business forced out of the town by rising rent and rates, yes it is nice that we now have a market on grove street for the shoppers that do attend it but I can honestly say the times I have been on Grove street the ST lounge has never ever bothered me. a lone women with a open mind and no I have never been inside.Surely it is a good thing to have the units on grove street rented and used than standing empty and falling into dis-repair and the cause of more problems for the police and council !
Graham Jackson
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 7:41 pm
Its no use keeping saying people should walk - they won't if they just want to pickup something reasonably quickly. The results can been seen for themselves.
Vince Chadwick
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 7:43 pm
Wilmslow has atrophied as a shopping centre not because of Grove Street pedestrianisation but because some enterprising mega stores who had set themselves up at Handforth Green on an out-of-town site helped fund the Wilmslow Bypass - a feeder road straight to their car parks! That's where Wilmslow shops now, except when the Artisan market sets up - on pedestrianised Grove Street!

Knutsford has no equivalent of such a feeder road to such an out-of-town centre.

As for the ST Lounge, I didn't even know it was there until this publicity pointed it out to me. Refusing continuation of an existing business that seems to do no harm just because some people 'don't like it' is a slippery slope. Live and let live!
Sarah Paterson
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 9:05 pm
I'm sorry Vince but how does that explain people choosing to spend time in Knutsford in spite of the existence of Handforth Dean and the Trafford Centre?
I quite agree regarding the ST lounge, I'm sure trade has had quite a boost recently!
Lets put our energy into bringing Wilmslow back to life with fewer empty units.
David Woolliscroft
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 9:51 pm
I agree with Vince. I confess that I too had never noticed it, so it must be fairly discrete. Not my cup of tea, but that is hardly a reason to ban it. In a democracy one needs to have very good reasons indeed to ban anything, and "because I don't like it" does not even come close. The economy is struggling enough as it is, and there seem to be far too many people about who like banning things.

On the alternative topic which has developed here, I have to say that I too prefer the pedestrianised Grove Street. It could be bedlam before, and we still have two roads open to traffic which do the same job.
Graham Jackson
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 10:16 pm
I was under the impression that people don't shop there, that's the problem. An artisan market once a month, that don't pay rates can't be the solution. Shops need good foot fall.
Stuart Redgard
Tuesday 19th February 2013 at 11:43 pm
A slight correction to Garry Bartons' post. I remember driving down Grove Street when i first moved to Wilmslow just over 18 years ago (Nov 1994), so it didn't happen "over 20 years ago." I estimate about 16 to 17 years ago. I also remember not shopping in Grove Street then because of the difficulty in navigating the narrow pavements. I agreed with pedestrianising the road then and still do.

There are many reasons why the trends of "shoppers" have changed over the last 50 years. The biggest in my opinion being the globalisation of the economy, the Internet and out of town shopping centres. 'I don't believe that pedestrianising Grove Street is as significant as these.

What shops still remain in Grove Street that were there before it was pedestrianised? Possibly some of the Jewellers and the banks / building societies, Boots and WH Smith. Can anyone think of any others?

In the main it is people on foot that "shop" on the "high" street. that is becasue they cannot get access to the shop by vehicle!. People in vehicles only tend to shop in filling stations, garages, car showrooms and other vehicle related retailers and "Drive ins" such as fast food outlets. Most of which are not on "the high street".

And finally I'm not decided on whether ST Lounge should have its license renewed as I don't use it.
Graham Jackson
Wednesday 20th February 2013 at 8:15 am
Maybe you found it difficult because it was busy with people shopping? I have lived in Wilmslow for 25 years, Grove Street was never perfect, it was a pain to get through with people looking to park but it kept the shops ticking over with 'churn' trade. Now in an evening Grove Street is just nasty. With some sensible 'planning' (I use this word under caution!) It would be relatively easy to make Grove Street a one way road with parking on one side of the road, with imposed time limits. Close the street once a month for the market - you get the best of both worlds.

Something has to change or Grove Street will wither - Thorntons closing but lap dancing club wanting a new licence, you couldn't make it up. This is not the Wilmslow I moved to.
Sarah Paterson
Wednesday 20th February 2013 at 10:08 am
As a small child I remember Grive St as a place where a whole meal could be purchased. Green grocer, butcher and grocers. As far as chaos on the pavements is concerned, really no different to market days now and that doesn't seem to deter anyone. I am not aware of anyone coming to any harm by either cars or pushchairs!
Back to the main topic, leave the ST Lounge be and concentrate on returning Grove St to its original vibrancy!
Vince Chadwick
Wednesday 20th February 2013 at 11:08 am
I, too remember Grove St in the 1960s. Shops for everything, and all well patronised. But the only constant in life is change; nothing stays the same and you can't turn the clock back.

The big supermarkets killed off the grocers, green grocers, butchers etc because the public voted with their feet and decided to shop under one roof rather than traipse from shop to shop, queing at each, in the high st. This process of death-of-the-hight-st pre-dates pedestrianisation, which merely made what was left of Grove St a more pleasant environment than it would have been if left as a busy road with cars dominating people.

The second stage of the death of the high st came anmd is coming with the internet. Everything you can buy on line is moving off the high st and onto the internet. And why wouldn't it? I wanted to buy a gease nipple for one of my motorcycles, but no local shops had one and the next thing would have been a trip to Stockport or manchester, either of which could have been equally fruitless. Instead, I went home and ordered one on line. It was cheaper than a shop would have charged, and was on my doorstep next morning!

So what's left on the high st? Some up market specialist shops perhaps, and stuff you can't get on line like a spot of lunch or a cup of coffee.

It's change - natural progression. And it will never cease.
Simon Worthington
Wednesday 20th February 2013 at 11:25 am
I see this has developed into a debate about shopping and not one comment from the "moral minority" or any in support of Wesley and chums about refusal of the ST lounge's licence.
Knutsford's King Street survives due to having a very large carpark one row behind it and being 10 miles from Handforth Dean. It also attracts shoppers who won't come near Wilmslow as there is little they can buy here that is worth the inconvenienceof the journey and parking. Let's see how well it does when the new Aldi/Lidl ? with free carpark opens!!
Derek Stevens
Wednesday 20th February 2013 at 12:52 pm
For those who remember the 'Wilmslow Card', this little piece of plastic wrongly publicised Wilmslow to such an extent that landlords and shop owners sold out to Insurance companies etc, thinking that by buying up the town they were on a gravy train, They then put all the rents up and the much needed small shops were priced out of the town centre.
Mary Marshall
Thursday 21st February 2013 at 9:43 pm
I do not understand how or why the ST Lounge bar ever had a license to operate in the first instance.
Sarah Paterson
Friday 22nd February 2013 at 11:12 am
Mary, on what grounds do you think it should have been denied a license to operate?
As has been clearly stated in earlier comments the bar poses no danger or inconvenience to the residents of Wilmslow and most people were unaware of the nature of the bar prior to the recent publicity.
Drew Donaldson
Friday 22nd February 2013 at 10:35 pm
I think the three councillors Barton, Fitzgerald and Menlove should think again. They are obviously not in touch with the views of the majority of the people of Wilmslow, if the responses and comments on this story thread are any indication. Perhaps they think their collective stand will get them re-elected. Think again gentlemen. The people of Wilmslow are smarter than you think and are capable of making up their own mind on this.

I support ST lounge's application renewal. Why? Because it happens behind closed doors with consenting adults, I don't have to see it if I don't want to go and I am fed up of this "nanny state" many politicians are turning this once great country into.

Wake up and smell the coffee councillors. There are plenty of coffee outlets in the surrounding area who can afford the ludicrous business rates levied on Wilmslow retailers.
Dave Cash
Saturday 23rd February 2013 at 4:40 am
As for comments directly relating to ST Lounge licence renewal I assess
11 are in favour (12 inc me) on a live & let live basis
4 against (3 CEC local Cllrs + 1 other)

I note the heads of the 3 local churches or nearby schools appear not to have commented here.

If the ST Lounge has been the cause of any 'disturbance', on or off the premises, then the Police have the option to object tro Licence renewal.
Basic planning Regs allow for rejection of permission for duplication of retail outlets on the same road or street. Hence we have a plethora of coffee shops on different roads within a half mile of each other and an estimated 5 current pubs with a Sports Bar yet to open.

I do not wish Wilmslow to become the Soho of Cheshire, and would object to planning applications for additional 'Gentemans Clubs'.
If the ST Club was forced to relocate, where do Wilmslow NIMBYs suggest and what retailer should occupy current ST Lounge premises?
Sarah Paterson
Saturday 23rd February 2013 at 9:11 am
Totally agree with you Drew. If I have no objections as a mother of two who has lived in Wilmslow all my life I would be very interested to know who is objecting!
John Rowland
Monday 25th February 2013 at 3:01 pm
Having read today's news about the most senior member of the Roman Catholic Church resigning off the back of inappropriate behaviour, I'm more concerned with my kids going past a church than a local business such as the St Lounge.
Get a grip people !!!!!!
Sarah Paterson
Monday 25th February 2013 at 5:35 pm
Very good John, that gave me a Monday laugh!