Bus to Knutsford and Altrincham could be reduced to hourly service

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Cheshire East Council has recently undertaken a review of the subsidised bus network to enable them to save over £1.5m a year.

As part of the medium term budget plan for the Council, a saving target of £1.576m from the supported bus budget is proposed to commence from 1st April 2018. In order to achieve this level of saving a review of the network has been undertaken to assess whether these supported services are best meeting the needs of residents and whether network adjustments can be made to save money.

As a result the proposal is to reduce the 88 Knutsford to Wilmslow to Altrincham bus from a half hourly to an hourly service. The current service is supported by CEC, or other neighbouring authorities.

In a report prepared for the Environment and Regeneration Overview and Scrutiny Committee meeting tomorrow (Thursday 4th May) the rationale for changes to this service is stated as "Within Cheshire East the service provides access to a number of health, education, employment and recreational facilities. The site also serves a number of Local Plan development sites and links into interchanges. The route currently operates with a relatively low level of subsidy per passenger and carries a large number of passengers."

The proposal is for the current 88 service between Altrincham and Knutsford to be reduced to hourly frequency, with all journeys serving Morley Green (currently Morley Green is served every hour rather than half hourly like Bank Square and Wilmslow Rail Station). 

The Environment and Regeneration Overview and Scrutiny Committee will discuss the revised network proposals for public consultation on Thursday, 4th May, ahead of the discussion at Cabinet on 9th May.

The 2017/18 supported bus service budget is £3.641m. The proposals would enable savings of £1.576m to be made in 2018/19 so the supported bus service budget could be reduced to £2.065m.

If approved by Cabinet, the proposals will go forward for a 10 week period of public consultation commencing in late May 2017. This consultation will be targeted at both bus users and non bus users and the outcomes from the consultation will inform a recommendation to Cabinet in autumn 2017.

The proposals also include no longer supporting Sunday services of the 130 Macclesfield to Wilmslow to Manchester - the weekday daytime services are provided commercially - and no longer supporting the 200 Wilmslow to Manchester Airport service.

The report states the following as the rationale for changes to the service - "This service currently runs at a relatively high level of subsidy per passenger due to low volumes of passengers using the service. The service provides a link between Wilmslow, Styal and Manchester Airport between which rail alternatives are available."

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Howard Piltz
Wednesday 3rd May 2017 at 4:56 pm
Wilmslow is slowly sinking under the weight of commuters' cars parked all over the place and CEC shows no sign of doing anything about it. There are still some pretty good bus services to the town and operators would willingly increase or re-instate services if people were encouraged to use the. The 88 received absolutely no publicity or promotion so many locals know nothing about it. PLEASE CEC, ask the professionals about marketing before it's too late.
Stuart Redgard
Wednesday 3rd May 2017 at 5:08 pm
Public Transport is a key to Sustainable Development. The a key element to the CEC local Plan!
Bob Bracegirdle
Wednesday 3rd May 2017 at 6:02 pm
Howard is right. Though I might say that the hourly service to Altrincham is better than the two hourly service of half a century ago - the old 97 from Macclesfield to Altrincham via Prestbury and Morley. This only commenced in the afternoon but ran until 11.00pm. Similarly the old 92 Wilmslow-Knutsford which was at irregular times.

The real loss is the 130 whose predecessors ran every ten minutes until 10.50pm.

Now we have nothing but polluting cars. A step backwards methinks.
Sally Hoare
Wednesday 3rd May 2017 at 7:46 pm
The reduction of these services goes totally against environmental sense. South Wilmslow is choked by badly parked cars. Public transport needs to be increased and promoted. Bad parking needs to be policed and controlled.
Jon Armstrong
Wednesday 3rd May 2017 at 10:02 pm
The 130 passed me this evening while I was out walking. There wasn't a single passenger on it. Is it any wonder services are cut?
Vince Chadwick
Thursday 4th May 2017 at 12:18 pm
Early last year the bus shelter on Knutsford Road at Davenport Green (near the Horse & Jockey) was demolished by a truck delivering to the corner shop opposite. I was told by someone at Cheshire East that replacing the shelter was delayed while a proposed traffic scheme in the area was finalised, with possible relocation of the bus stop. This was resolved by autumn last year with no re-location of the bus stop required.

In late December last year I was waiting for a bus there and got talking to a man in a suit (and yellow jacket) and a man in boots and working clothes (and a yellow jacket). They were ‘measuring up’ for replacement of the shelter. Why a ‘boss’ had to be present I don’t know, and why measurements were required I don’t know, as the tarmac covered holes in the pavement where the previous shelter had been located were clearly visible. Boss man informed me the shelter should be replaced ‘early in the new year if not sooner’.

Some minutes later a second Cheshire East van drew up, and two workers in yellow jackets got out. After chewing the fat with the first two Cheshire East representatives, they rummaged in the van and produced an aerosol can of yellow paint with which they sprayed crosses on the four tarmac patches covering the holes left by removal of he original shelter. After more chin-wagging, they drove off.

The bus arrived and I left boss man and his worker still surveying the site.

And the shelter has STILL not been replaced!

So, no result, we get soaked waiting for the bus, and a depressing display of over-manning. Perhaps if Cheshire East operated with even a modicum of efficiency they might find they had the funds to improve public services, not cut them!
Sally Hoare
Thursday 4th May 2017 at 1:50 pm
That`s nothing, Vince. The bus stop and shelter on Chapel Lane (near Stig the barber) was demolished in a similar way several years ago. Neither bus stop nor shelter have ever been replaced. People just wait in hap hazard fashion near the pharmacy.
Pete Taylor
Thursday 4th May 2017 at 9:16 pm
Nothing to do with Cheshire East - Cllr Rod Menlove will be able to tell you how the Highways service was privatised before CEC even came into existence; at least that is what he told me.
Ade Whitaker
Thursday 4th May 2017 at 9:51 pm
It's a catch 22 situation. When less people use the buses they become less profitable. The answer to this is always to reduce the number of buses. The service then becomes even less attractive and so even less people use them. Maybe some things have to be run at a loss and funded from taxes in order to allow everyone to travel around easily. There are clearly environmental benefits from using public transport but we are not really encouraged to use it because it is expensive, infrequent, disjointed and generally much less convenient than travellng by car. I remember visiting some friends in Switzerland a few years ago. The Swiss had voted to invest properly in their public transport. The buses had ticket machines on board so the driver could focus on driving. The driver had a gadget on board that allowed him to make the traffic lights go green so that he could keep moving. End result - people were much more likely to use public transport. Unfortunately in the UK we dont have that kind of vision. Although in London they do seem to have got their act together in terms of buses. It does feel as though Wilmslow is getting cut off from the outside world - which is ironic as it gets closer to being consumed by the expansion of Manchester.
Dave Cash
Friday 5th May 2017 at 4:30 am
"....The route currently operates with a relatively low level of subsidy per passenger and carries a large number of passengers."

It also provides a connection to Knutsford, Wilmslow Altrincham rail stations, an improving Altrincham market and 3 varied shopping centres.

I would not mind an hourly service if times can be assured. This may require installation of wireless sign boards at each bus stop.
Rod Menlove
Friday 5th May 2017 at 9:20 am
To clarify the post by Pete Taylor
This thread is about bus routes and bus stops.
At least 94% of bus routes are run commercially. Very few are subsidised by CEC and a public consultation has been announced on those remaining.
Destroyed bus shelters should be replaced; those belonging to CEC by CEC and those belonging to advertising companies by those companies. If repair/replacement is taking too long then please contact your local CEC cllr.
The Highways service was contracted out by CCC to the Bam Nuttall company and the contract expired after CCC ceased. CEC went through the full OJEU procedure and awarded the contract to the Ringway Jacobs company. So everything to do with CEC.
I made these facts very clear and am at a loss as to why Pete Taylor seems not to understand.
Vince Chadwick
Monday 8th May 2017 at 1:15 pm
Rod, the point of my post was twofold. To point out that the bus shelter has not been replaced after being destroyed 18 months ago, and to highlight the inefficiency of the workings of Cheshire East Council. The scenario I came across would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

No wonder Cheshire East have to cut back on public services such as bus services if they operate in such an inefficient manner.

By the way, those yellow paint marks have now worn off the pavement, so long has it been since that little scenario was played out for me. Perhaps it needs to be repeated?
Vince Chadwick
Thursday 11th May 2017 at 9:07 pm
Ah, Rod. I see you ARE my local councillor. An email is on its way to you regarding the shelter I refer to above!
Bob Bracegirdle
Wednesday 24th May 2017 at 3:42 pm
I came here from a village in Leicestershire with a bus every 10 minutes. Every hour at night until 11pm. That sort of service obtained on the 130's predecessor 50 years ago.

130 now finishes at around 5. Useless for commuting. Same is threatened for the 38 Macclesfield to Crewe. We moved to Gawsworth for the availability of evening journeys. All now to go.
DELETED ACCOUNT
Wednesday 24th May 2017 at 6:34 pm
Councillor Menlove - the "public consultation argument". Cheshire East should spend some time observing passengers on bus routes. The "public consultation" is online, or by collecting a paper copy from Wilmslow library. Will this "consultation" reach the people who use the bus services? Why not give out a copy of this "public consultation" to every passenger on every bus?