Fears that proposals for Knutsford Road won't solve the problem

Wilmslow Town Council is objecting to proposals for a new Puffin crossing on Knutsford Road and the introduction of a one-way system on Church Road.

The Town Council had not been consulted on the proposals so a special meeting was called on Tuesday, 30th August, where members of the Planning Committee voted unanimously to reject the proposals because they felt they were not acceptable in their current form and require further consultation.

Councillor Gary Barton explained that the proposals put forward by Cheshire East Highways resulted from a request from Lindow Primary School for a light controlled crossing on Knutsford Road to resolve safety issues.

In addition to installing a signal controlled crossing for pedestrians, close to the junctions with Church Road, Upcast Lane and Gravel Lane, Cheshire East Highways are proposing to introduce a one way system on Church Road, from the entrance off Knutsford Road to the junction with St Johns Road - because visibility for motorists will be reduced once the crossing has been built - and relocating the bus stop lay-by that is currently on Knutsford Road to Gravel Lane to make way for the new Puffin crossing.

Wilmslow Town Council is recommending refusal of these proposals on the grounds of road traffic issues, the impact on neighbouring businesses and residents, difficulties involved in the relocation of the bus stop and the loss of existing stopping points. Fundamentally they don't believe that the proposals are going resolve the issue and they are requesting the introduction of traffic calming measures, including a 20mph speed limit and associated signage on Knutsford Road.

The meeting was attended by three people who own businesses in the area.

First to speak was Graham Hurd who has run the village store with his partner Kate for the past 14 years.

He said "This scheme will have a detrimental effect on our business, it will take away all of our trade from commuters and local tradesmen who stop on Knutsford Road to nip into our store to get newspapers, bread, milk, soft drinks and cigarettes etc before continuing on their journey. Our store will no longer be convenient for them if they have to enter the one-way system.

"We need these customer to sustain our business which has already seen a downturn in trade of 25% over the past four years with the economic recession and increased competition from supermarket express stores and online shopping services. We have already pruned our operating costs to the bare minimum losing this trade is likely to be the final straw which breaks the camel's back, which could result in our having to close the store and face significant financial losses when we have to sell our home to clear the outstanding loans on the business and freehold premises.

"Having said that our concerns are that the proposals will not actually solve the problems being experienced of congestion up Upcast Lane and speeding southbound traffic on Knutsford Road.

"There seems to have been very little thought as to the consequences of this proposal and no thought at all about what to do about the speeding southbound traffic which will run into standing traffic possibly backing up to the blind been juts beyond the junction with Gravel Lane when the signal controlled crossing is in use.

"There are no proposals to restrict the speed or to calm this traffic or to improve the signage indicating the presence of a school ahead."

Over the weekend Mr Hurd has put up a notice outside the store expressing their views about the proposal and in just three days they have collected 250 signatures from customers rejecting the proposal and asking Cheshire East to focus on addressing what they see as the route cause of the problem - speeding traffic and lack of signage.

Ian Lloyd who owns the florists on the corner of Knutsford Road and Church Road also attended the meeting.

He said "We use that junction maybe 40 or 50 times a day, exiting it and obviously it is a very bad bend. There are several near misses every day with cars speeding round. My main worries would be that definitely my customers would not turn into Church Road, they would just park on the double yellow lines - as they do already but in greater numbers which makes that corner even more accident prone.

"Also some of the lorries which come to me are huge articulated lorries, far bigger than UK lorries and I would doubt whether some could actually get around that one-way system."

Greta Wright who owns 135 Hairdressing also spoke at the meeting. She said "At the moment there are parking bays outside us and I was a little bit concerned that if the bus lay-by is going to be moved from Knutsford Road to the top of Gravel Lane, opposite me, where there's no room for a lay-by - so you'll have two buses parking alongside.

"Also, I do have rather a lot of blue badge holders that do find it very very convenient to park outside in these parking bays which they have the right to but if that is taken away I am sure a lot of the businesses will also suffer from blue badge holders not being welcome in the area."

Greta added "Also the parking bays outside the businesses are used by a lot of parents in the morning who leave the cars there whilst they walk their children to school."

Councillor Gary Barton, who is both a town councillor and ward councillor said "We are aware of the problems on Knutsford Road so that's why we have come and said it is a difficult proposal. If people are willing to make sacrifices then that's great but if they think it's too much and they don't think it will work then we understand that. That's why we have come forward with it."

After the public speaking, councillors then discussed the proposals amongst themselves.

Councillor Yvonne Warren said "It doesn't seem a particularly good place to put the crossing. I presume highways can't put it further up Knutsford Road where there isn't so much going on but it would seem with taking away the parking spaces for coaches and the shop parking and deliveries and the hairdressers it just couldn't be in a worse place for the local businesses which I think is really important."

Councillor David Jefferay said "How it's actually got this far is beyond me in terms of the road traffic issues and how it's passed some kind of health and safety assessment is beyond me.

"The movement of the bus stop around the corner that's just lunacy and congestion on Church Road, Links Road and Welton Drive is going to case cause issues and the safety issues on the corner of Knutsford Road and Church Road. Again it does not address the speeding issues that's a major shortfall in my eyes and also the impact on the neighbours and the shops."

Councillor Keith Chapman, who had spent some time speaking to local residents at the weekend, said "This is not universally opposed, so let's put some balance into it. Down Church Road quite a number of people were actually in favour for the reason that they think it might improve parking down the road. People down Links Road naturally feared more congestion with lorries coming down etc. People on Knutsford Road, quite a few were in favour but it was because they see it as a way of calming traffic down the road. The route cause is really about people speeding down that road, anything we can do to calm the traffic down there will actually help in the overall safety position.

"I had a word with the Head of Governors at the school, as I was told the school had expressed concerns and have been doing for a number of years, and the school's position (she could only put her personal point of view as they haven't had a meeting to specifically discuss this proposal) is yes they are very concerned about safety and they want this problem resolved but at the end of the day they don't want to fall out with all of their neighbours."

He added "She is making the point if there is an alternative proposal, then the school would be happy to have a meeting to consider it, they are not just holding out for the Puffin option."

Councillor Martin Watkins said "The problem is not just about Knutsford Road, it is about Upcast Lane and the school that is at the end of it. We as a council have previously discussed that we are mixing kids and cars. Let's be clear about this, if this proposal was to go ahead there is still going to be cars and kids going down Upcast Lane and this is a bigger danger than Knutsford Road is in itself.

"What I'm really concerned about here is the consultation process which has taken place up until now. I'm really concerned that there are businesses telling me that they have never ever been approached by Cheshire East over this scheme.

"As I said at the beginning, when I declared an interest, I own a convenience store and I am currently in the process of selling it and I know understand exactly where Mr Hurd is coming from because whilst there is this discussion going on it has knocked tens of thousands of pounds off his business and that's not acceptable. i don't think any council should be condoning that sort of thing. The consultation here is totally inadequate and we should say so."

Councillor Angela McPake commented "I don't think it is just about the crossing. The island is there to give you some protection. This proposal does not give you any more protection. What it does is inconvenience an awful lot of people and make fundamental changes in the area for probably not much gain. The reality is unless we do find more control then people will still speed down there and it is still unsafe."

The councillors agreed that the current proposal is not acceptable in its current format and without further consultation. In the meantime they will request that Cheshire East introduce traffic calming such as a 20mph speed limit, and associated signage.

Regarding the speed limit, Councillor Gary Barton explained "In terms of reducing speeds Cheshire East is currently looking at some 20mph limits with some trials being rolled out. The biggest problem is the police won't enforce them."

Cheshire East Council's Cabinet approved a £1m programme to install advisory 20mph zones near all schools in Cheshire East in November 2015.

The three-year programme will tackle more than 130 schools, which are located in areas with speed limits between 30mph and 60mph.

Year One (2015/16) of the programme includes sites which currently have a 30mph speed limit; there are existing complaints relating to vehicle speeds; the new speed limit can incorporate more than one school due to the close proximity of the individual sites and those schools where flashing amber warning lights are already located on the road adjacent to the school site.

Local schools to be included in Year One are Nether Alderley Primary, St Benedict's Catholic Primary and Wilmslow Grange, Styal Primary and Gorsey Bank Primary.

Year Two (2016/17) sites include all those where the current speed limit is 30 or 40mph and where there are no flashing amber warning lights located on the road adjacent to the school site. Lindow Community Primary is included in Year Two along with Dean Oak Primary, Wilmslow High School and Lacey Green Academy.

Year Three (2017/8) sites include all those where the current speed limit is above 40mph and there are no flashing amber warning lights located on the road adjacent to the school site. Mottram St Andrew Primary and St Anne's Fulshaw C of E Primary are included in Year Three of the programme.

Wilmslow Town Council are recommending refusal of the proposed puffin crossing, new one-way system and relocated bus stop on the grounds of road traffic issues, the impact on neighbouring businesses and residents, the difficulties involved with moving the bus stop, the loss of stopping places, whilst feeling that the proposal will not solve the problem.

Councillor Keith Purdom said "I'd like to send a strongly worded letter to Cheshire East about the lack of consultation with Wilmslow Town Council and also businesses in the area."

He added "This is not our decision, we can only seek to influence Cheshire East so it's great you being here and you helped us come to a conclusion you've got to tell Cheshire East and the more individual people who contact Cheshire East the better."

Local residents are requested to email their comments to Cheshire East Council, including your name and address.

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Charlie Cook
Wednesday 31st August 2016 at 12:58 pm
A 20mph limit would be fine, but only if accompanied by a speed camera. Cars regularily do very excessive speeds by the flashing thirty on the other Knutsford Road, so I fear that the 20 would be equally ignored.
DELETED ACCOUNT
Wednesday 31st August 2016 at 1:33 pm
So - this seems to be telling me that there actually has not been a "survey" by Cheshire East, but a request by Lindow Primary School to improve the situation, - nothing wrong with that we should all be concerned about safety. What is wrong is the attempt to somehow dress this up as a "consultation" or "survey". Seems to me that more has been done by Wilmslow Town Council in a very short space of time than has been done by Cheshire East to garner opinions of residents and businesses.
Charlie Cook
Wednesday 31st August 2016 at 3:27 pm
A 20mph limit would be fine, but only if accompanied by a speed camera. Cars regularily do very excessive speeds by the flashing thirty on the other Knutsford Road, so I fear that the 20 would be equally ignored.
Pete Taylor
Wednesday 31st August 2016 at 4:45 pm
I think that the reason why CEC is fudging this (and other) safety issues can be found here:

http://bit.ly/2c4K7Fb

As per usual CEC are out of step with many other Councils, spending another million of our pounds!
Nick Jones
Wednesday 31st August 2016 at 8:52 pm
The traffic calming in Prestbury Village seems reasonably effective... Cost v Requirement ???
Dave Cash
Thursday 1st September 2016 at 12:48 am
The Dept of Transport is currently undertaking a £715000 study of 20 mph limits across UK, and their effectiveness. It is due to be published in 2017.
Other completed Regional studies have concluded that 20 mph speed limits only reduce the average recorded speed by ~1 mph, a result generally in line with perm & temp SIDs located around Wilmslow. unless CEC knows different or publishes it's Knutsford Road survey.

Rel Press article http://bit.ly/2bLgFU2
David Kendrick
Thursday 1st September 2016 at 7:14 am
Surely the problem is the speed the cars travel down knutsford road approaching the corner shop and that area. A speed camera or some traffic calming measures would be a far better solution.
Restricting parking around the corner shop to stop idiots who just strand their cars wherever they like to go into the shop also wouldn't go a miss and would massively reduce danger risk in the area
Peter Evans
Thursday 1st September 2016 at 1:29 pm
Staggering lack of objective analysis by CEC and also by town council - and an awful lot of partial thinking by some others. Let's think about this, there are two issues a) Upcast Lane is too narrow for cars to go up and down and mix with children, anb b) the fact that Knutsford Rd suddenly narrows around Gravel Lane/ Church Rd, there are usually too many parked cars and often the bollards are obscured or partially blocked by aforementioned parked cars, crossing Knutsford Rd is a dangerous lottery and partially because motorists suddenly have too many things to deal with.
So, some ideas to help out: use the space in front of the vets for much more parking, move the bus stop to increase the space further. Open up Upcast Lane to enable parents to go one way down there (maybe only for very limited periods each day during school time), okay need to prevent anyone trying to use it as a rat run.
Even without all the issues facing the school, that part of Knutsford Rd is too narrow for the amount of traffic that uses it to do so safely. So, either look to widen it or re-route traffic (though that probably only introduces another problem here ASfGs?).
Just a few quick ideas as I sit on hols in France, but with a bit more objective and intelligent analysis, this is not a big issue - and that is just being obscured by predictable and "partisan" local political ineptitude.
Graham Jackson
Thursday 1st September 2016 at 4:36 pm
This originally started as a meaningful request from the school to ensure children got to school safety, perfectly normal, justified and one I would support.

Before shops are blighted, thousands spent and home owners irritated by one way traffic. I still haven't actual seen accident figures for the request, and why should I? I appreciate those that live on the 'throttling' section of Knutsford Road would like to see a speed reduction - is there any evidence for such a requirement for a substantial crossing other than perceived? I'm happy to be blown out of the water.
Peter Davenport
Thursday 1st September 2016 at 9:21 pm
What I cannot understand, we have paid officials at Cheshire East, who, presumably as they are in a certain department or section, should have sufficient knowledge, as to how to resolve many problems.
The way to resolve this problem, is staring at them in Hawthorn Lane.
Why not place several of similar groins or whatever our PC world calls them, so that traffic has to give way in on direction, as the other has priority, similar also as at Station Road, by the railway station. This has the effect of slowing the traffic without expensive cameras etc, as only some curb stones and concrete, a few signs, resolves the problem.
Richard Bullock
Friday 2nd September 2016 at 12:14 am
@Graham Jackson: Here are the accident statistics for the last 7 years - 2009-2015, on Knutsford Road within 500 metres either side of the proposed crossing. There have been three reported slight injury accidents within those seven years in the 1km stretch.
1: 28/04/2012 - car turned right out of Gravel Lane hitting a cyclist continuing on Knutsford Road from behind - 46-55 year old female cyclist slightly injured - dry conditions in daylight
2: 10/10/2014 - van pulled out of Ravenswood Road hitting a cyclist continuing on Knutsford Road side-on - 48 year old female cyclist slightly injured - dry conditions in daylight
3: 20/08/2015 - car overturned after colliding with parked car on Knutsford Road between Ravenswood Rd & Croft Rd junctions whilst attempting to overtake it. 46 year old female driver slightly injured - dry conditions in daylight.
http://bit.ly/2bXH0Qa
Slight injury usually means that the person did not need to be treated in hospital and had minor injuries such as a sprain, minor cut or bruising, or slight shock treated at the roadside - or a slight injury not requiring any medical treatment. Note that damage only incidents, and injury accidents where either the police didn't attend or the incident was not reported - won't be included in the official stats. 2016 incidents have not yet been released.
Nick Jones
Friday 2nd September 2016 at 7:53 am
Station Road is a disaster ! .. Don't go there !! I'm surprised there hasn't been a fatality ....with the footpath used by the High School Students and Leisure Complex crossing in the 'shadow' under the bridge ..... then the ridiculous road markings.... The 'race' for the gap ( as opposed to being considerate and actually 'Giving Way' ) ... Is like Russian Roulette .. Go and stand there for a few minutes ! .... There are lots of near misses and occasional 'Hits' on a too frequent basis... Its not the way forward..
Neither is Yellow lines that appear supported by our Lyme Green representative everywhere else in Wilmslow.. As said before, traffic calming in Prestbury Village seems reasonably effective.. A common sense approach is required .. It is the main road to Knutsford after all !
Gary Chaplin
Friday 2nd September 2016 at 10:24 am
So as Richard Bullock's stats prove, there is no substantive case for any calming or crossing there. 3 accidents (within half a kilometre), none of which were pedestrian, none of which would have been impacted by a crossing in the proposed location.

Meanwhile, Councils waste money, resource in researching (or not) and holding meetings.

Yet more anti-driver/anti-car rhetoric
Vince Chadwick
Sunday 4th September 2016 at 10:22 pm
This is a ludicrous proposal.

Make the present pedestrian crossing a Zebra (motorists have to give way to pedestrians). Forget 'traffic calming' humps (which break springs on cars, while 4x4s sail over them) and put a speed camera just after the Welton Drive junction (southbound).

The bus stop is where it should be, albeit lacking the shelter it had until several months ago when (presumably) a motor vehicle demolished it. Why has it not been replaced? Cash saving? What about the insurance of that errant motor vehicle?

The parking on Gravel Lane by the hair dressers should never have been approved (a sharp bend on one approach, a 'T' junction on the other). It should be removed regardless of this proposal.

The best solution to meet the objective, and the one that causes least 'unintended consequences' to other people (Church road, Links road, and Welton drive residents, and 88 bus users), is this one!.